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    Novus Ordo
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    Anselm – thanks for the informative response. Well, although I’m definitely a gun-toting rural crowd animal murderer – I am respectful of other ways of living and try to learn from them also. Definitely understand making due with what you’ve got on hand – it would really be silly not to.

    I can’t say honestly that I’d ever choose to live in a city although I’ve been in or near them for my whole military career. I just feel too cramped and I think the huge flux of people is not a benefit to any SHTF scenario. At least not in America. I heard stories of complete cooperation out of the Fukushima tsunami and I believe that, but the Japanese are not Americans. I spent 10 years total over there. We’re not orderly and subservient like they are – and we have attitudes. In any case, I don’t discount those in the cities that have spent their lives making things work, despite their surroundings and have respect for anyone that can work with their hands and create or replicate things that make our lives easier or heal their fellow man. The problem is the bulk of people that don’t follow that mantra and basically live off the backs of those who do – not talking about welfare, although that is part of it. Talking about people who would become immediate leeches because they have not learned any responsibility for themselves or their families. Add the criminal element and IMHO it’s a recipe for disaster. You guys can’t support them all. On the flip side in the rural areas almost everyone knows how to drive it, fix it, create it, repurpose it and barter it just because of the nature of the necessity to be more self reliant. And you know your neighbors because you probably helped them out at one time, not just met at the mailbox or taking out the trash. I know it won’t be easy but so did Dick Proenneke when he was 50 and all alone. If it were my choice alone, my only job would be self sufficiency – if the Kilchers can do it in AK, so can I.

    Being a vegetarian isn’t something I look down on at all – I’ve done it on occasion to drop a few pounds, but it’s not something I’d follow exclusively. But that’s just me. Not sure how you can murder an animal as they have no thoughts or reasoning – to me it’s the same as killing a plant or a bug, they’re all alive. However, I still respect your perspective on it as it works for you and that’s all that counts.

    I look at life as an opportunity to learn something at every turn so the only thing I’m surprised about is that you’ve got the courage to go to school with all the youngsters. I would have thought you’d prefer to learn online or from a book. IF the younsters listen, they may even learn something from someone other than the professor! I agree, I don’t think that we will lose electricity for too long even if the grids go down. With all the wind and solar energy out there and growing daily I think we will always have some power so we agree on that.

    I’ve got Mr. Forstchen’s book on my list, but I hadn’t heard of the Hickory Hollow one so thanks for the suggestion. Great article by Mr. Whitehead also – he really hit the nail on the head. I didn’t see one thing that I disagreed with. Might have to add his book to my list too.

    Anyway, great discussion – glad that you can still type out your thoughts and I thank you for doing so. Typing 101 in 1982; the most useful high school class I ever took!

    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
    - Thomas Paine

    #19240
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    Anselm
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    Novus Ordo, I am not vegetarian for any philosophical reason, and I am definitely not a Green; I don’t hug trees or kiss dolphins. I was basically a “beef and potatoes” man for many years, probably identical to you, but I was often sick. Over a two-year transition, I became vegetarian and then had sterling health for decades. It is only recently that my health has cracked because I live in a radiation field; no, I didn’t know about it when I moved here, and, yes, I am trying to get out of it, but it takes time.

    Once I had been vegetarian for a good while, I came to have a different sense of animals. I assure you that they do think and reason; they just don’t know that they think and reason. Example, if you have ever had a dog that was housebroken, and one day you took too long to get home and found that the dog had been forced to leave you a present on the kitchen floor, you saw an unmistakable look of shame on your dog’s face; the dog knew perfectly well that it had done wrong. And animals in the wild are much more intelligent than people give them credit for. If you feed lizards and groundhogs, they will rush to alert you when they see that a stranger coming. And beavers will accept you and frolic in the water with you.

    Not that I recommend messing with wild animals ever; you can get one heck of an infection. I’m just saying that, with mammals, as with birds and at least some lizards, communication is perfectly possible.

    As to school, you don’t learn mechanical skills well from a book; online, maybe; but there’s nothing like getting your hands and clothes filthy and having sparks and little bits of metal flying at your face. And you get to see new equipment that’s being invented each year. Like new toys?

    If there is a real catastrophe and electrical supply truly disappears, I hope to go solar; I have small, portable plaques already and will soon get bigger ones. I don’t trust the wind generators; they require constant maintenance because the bearings and other moving parts wear out; and, to do that maintenance, you have to climb a very dangerous height; there are serious accidents in such climbs each year. As to microhydro, which many swear by, I like the idea of getting power from a river but, every time it floods, your little turbine is washed five miles downriver.

    Solar has the disadvantage that you can only use it half the year. So I would simply save everything that needs electricity for that half of the year. Just a little patience.

    An alternative, if cars still run, is to charge two marine batteries every time you drive your car. That’s the system used by Phil Garlington; you might like his short and funny book “Rancho Costa Nada”. He set up his homestead in the California desert for a few hundred dollars and powered it that way.

    The question is, will cars run … The Government is trying its darndest to provoke war with Russia, and I don’t see how Russia can hold back any further. If that war is unleashed, we’re toast. Here is the truth:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/

    Ultimately, a group of immensely rich bozos are amused by all of us little lemmings scurrying around with our bug-out bags, solar plaques and survival retreats. The only survival will be miles underground, where they already are.

    You might like http://eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.com/. Richard Sauder has delved for decades into info on the underground installations. And, who knows, you yourself may have been inside them … It must be cozy there.

    #19390
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    Novus Ordo
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    rprepper

    Anselm – I had a response typed out here, but I forgot to send before clicking you links above. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for those and I’ve enjoyed the conversations immensely. I’ll hack it out again at a later time.

    K

    P.S. No, I haven’t been to any of the underground installations….good thing, or I’d remember where they were come crunch time.

    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
    - Thomas Paine

    #19394
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    Anselm
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Novus Ordo wrote:</div>Anselm – I had a response typed out here, but I forgot to send before clicking you links above. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for those and I’ve enjoyed the conversations immensely. I’ll hack it out again at a later time.

    K

    P.S. No, I haven’t been to any of the underground installations….good thing, or I’d remember where they were come crunch time.

    There are bits of precise information about locations in Richard Sauder’s three little books. The places aren’t so hard to find. The problem is that you’d get shot on the way …

    And here’s a zombie horror twist to the current tragedy: http://www.rense.com/general96/dutch.html

    Enjoy.

    #19531
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    Novus Ordo
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    rprepper

    Anselm – interesting. We’ll see if anyone gets sick over there in the Ukraine.

    Back to my original (sort of) response that I deleted –

    I’ve heard of people making the switch to gluten free and vegan and benefitting quite a bit from it – very few return. I’m glad that you found what works for you. I’ve always been blessed with a pretty good constitution and when I rarely get sick it’s usually not for long. IF I were to consider switching over someday, what reading would you recommend? It’s a pretty big IF at this point, but I like to keep my options open and continue to learn from those who have been there.

    That sucks about the radiation zone – was it from an old facility or an old burial site for radioactive materials? If I were already set up with my 20+ acres, I’d offer you a couple to move to – my only repayment would be the passing on of knowledge you possess. Sorry though, no cities.

    Okay, agree with part of your thoughts on animals – but let me put it this way; if I let my dog in the house (he’s an outdoor dog) having never trained him and he did the same would he be ashamed of his actions? Doubtful as he’d never been trained that was bad and he is currently allowed to “go” wherever he chooses in the backyard. So, to me this seems to be equated to the training and/or “free food” for the wild animals, than any type of reasoning. More of instinct than anything. But I do agree that animals in close contact with humans can and do develop an affinity toward them and I’d never arbitrarily kill one of those type as I see them as companions. I’m not a trophy hunter either – if I can’t consume the animal or someone else will (tribe, homeless shelter, etc.) then I won’t hunt it. I also give them my respect as a hunter by making as clean a kill as I can and in my own way thanking them as the Native Americans used to do (my great-great-great grandmother was 1/4 Cherokee). I use as much of the animal as I can and do not take it for granted. I wish all hunters were the same, but a few give the rest of us a bad name.

    Good points on the solar – I like the mico hydo setups I’ve seen, but you’re right – they would need to be bolted to a cement piling or something. On the wind power I’d have to make my own and engineer quite a bit of overkill into it. Also, keep it simple – probably just blades driving a chain that goes to a beefed up re-wound vehicle alternator producing 200amps going to a battery bank with the solar – thus allowing you nighttime use also if there is a wind. 30-40 feet max if the wind were strong enough

    Neat idea on the charging of a couple deep cycle batts during the car use – similar to Steven Harris site where he shows you how to connect an inverter to the car and run an extension cord into the house to keep your fridge/freezer running in a power outage. I like his site because he tests all these items and uses them first before recommending them. Check him out at – http://www.Steven1234.com – which is a compilation of all of his sites and links to them individually, all about alternative energy sources.

    Alright, read a few of Dr. Roberts articles and can’t say I agree much. He says that the Iraq war was based on a lie that Saddam never had any chemical WMD – well he sure used something on the Kurds! And here’s an often overlooked fact that over 500 items with sarin gas were discovered in 2006 but never reported by the lame stream media as it would have made Bush look good.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/iraq-sarin-stockpiles-found/story-e6frfkui-1111112124958

    And now it seems that ISIS has found some more.

    http://cognitionemission.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/isis-seizes-2500-sarin-gas-rockets-in-iraq/

    Since I was there I can say that I really didn’t and don’t care if Saddam didn’t have any WMD’s (doubtful) – they guy was a bad actor and was bad to his own people and others (Kuwait). As far as I’m concerned all of those two bit dictators are headed to the same place and if we can help them along then all the better. Not that the US should be the worlds police, but when you have a bad neighbor (criminal, not just different viewpoint) eventually other neighbors get them ousted and rightly so as they are screwing up the neighborhood. In addition, Dr. Roberts uses Russia Today news as a source? The same one where they’ve had anchor after anchor flat out quit because they were “lying”?

    Anyway, again appreciate the discussions. K

    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
    - Thomas Paine

    #19550
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    Xocjm
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    Welcome for a newbie

    #20029
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    Anselm
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Novus Ordo wrote:</div>Anselm – interesting. We’ll see if anyone gets sick over there in the Ukraine.

    Back to my original (sort of) response that I deleted –

    I’ve heard of people making the switch to gluten free and vegan and benefitting quite a bit from it – very few return. I’m glad that you found what works for you. I’ve always been blessed with a pretty good constitution and when I rarely get sick it’s usually not for long. IF I were to consider switching over someday, what reading would you recommend? It’s a pretty big IF at this point, but I like to keep my options open and continue to learn from those who have been there.

    That sucks about the radiation zone – was it from an old facility or an old burial site for radioactive materials? If I were already set up with my 20+ acres, I’d offer you a couple to move to – my only repayment would be the passing on of knowledge you possess. Sorry though, no cities.

    Okay, agree with part of your thoughts on animals – but let me put it this way; if I let my dog in the house (he’s an outdoor dog) having never trained him and he did the same would he be ashamed of his actions? Doubtful as he’d never been trained that was bad and he is currently allowed to “go” wherever he chooses in the backyard. So, to me this seems to be equated to the training and/or “free food” for the wild animals, than any type of reasoning. More of instinct than anything. But I do agree that animals in close contact with humans can and do develop an affinity toward them and I’d never arbitrarily kill one of those type as I see them as companions. I’m not a trophy hunter either – if I can’t consume the animal or someone else will (tribe, homeless shelter, etc.) then I won’t hunt it. I also give them my respect as a hunter by making as clean a kill as I can and in my own way thanking them as the Native Americans used to do (my great-great-great grandmother was 1/4 Cherokee). I use as much of the animal as I can and do not take it for granted. I wish all hunters were the same, but a few give the rest of us a bad name.

    Good points on the solar – I like the mico hydo setups I’ve seen, but you’re right – they would need to be bolted to a cement piling or something. On the wind power I’d have to make my own and engineer quite a bit of overkill into it. Also, keep it simple – probably just blades driving a chain that goes to a beefed up re-wound vehicle alternator producing 200amps going to a battery bank with the solar – thus allowing you nighttime use also if there is a wind. 30-40 feet max if the wind were strong enough

    Neat idea on the charging of a couple deep cycle batts during the car use – similar to Steven Harris site where he shows you how to connect an inverter to the car and run an extension cord into the house to keep your fridge/freezer running in a power outage. I like his site because he tests all these items and uses them first before recommending them. Check him out at – http://www.Steven1234.com – which is a compilation of all of his sites and links to them individually, all about alternative energy sources.

    Alright, read a few of Dr. Roberts articles and can’t say I agree much. He says that the Iraq war was based on a lie that Saddam never had any chemical WMD – well he sure used something on the Kurds! And here’s an often overlooked fact that over 500 items with sarin gas were discovered in 2006 but never reported by the lame stream media as it would have made Bush look good.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/iraq-sarin-stockpiles-found/story-e6frfkui-1111112124958

    And now it seems that ISIS has found some more.

    http://cognitionemission.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/isis-seizes-2500-sarin-gas-rockets-in-iraq/

    Since I was there I can say that I really didn’t and don’t care if Saddam didn’t have any WMD’s (doubtful) – they guy was a bad actor and was bad to his own people and others (Kuwait). As far as I’m concerned all of those two bit dictators are headed to the same place and if we can help them along then all the better. Not that the US should be the worlds police, but when you have a bad neighbor (criminal, not just different viewpoint) eventually other neighbors get them ousted and rightly so as they are screwing up the neighborhood. In addition, Dr. Roberts uses Russia Today news as a source? The same one where they’ve had anchor after anchor flat out quit because they were “lying”?

    Anyway, again appreciate the discussions. K

    Thank you for your thoughtful letter. It has taken me time to reply because the powers that be have expelled me, and Selco, from the public computer which I normally use. Our public library has installed a new filter which is even worse than the previous. Officially, it is to keep out pornography. In reality, it does nothing of the kind. If, for example, I want to look up the specifications of a microhydro device, the filter blocks the site under the category of “Spam”. If I want to read a scathing indictment of the weird creature in the White House, it is blocked under the category of “Extreme and Radical Thought”. I wrote the management of the library to point out that this country was founded by men of extreme and radical thought: Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams, Samuel Adams, James Madison, etc. Their reply was silence. Now Selco’s site is blocked under the category of “Malicious Website”. So there you have it: Selco and Jay are “Malicious”. So I have to either get my own web connection, which I am reluctant to do on several counts, or drive some miles to a place where I can hook up, which is what I have done today. What the library filter impedes is not pornography but VALUABLE INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENT THOUGHT. So don’t be offended if, from now one, my replies and other posts become few and far between; for the time being, I simply don’t have reliable access to a connection. And I was going to stop or nearly stop in mid-August anyway because of my studies; apart from the long hours in the workshop, homework will be massive.

    Because I’m rushing to catch up, I can’t answer your specific points as I would like to, but here goes a small attempt. I assure you that I am not a fanatical vegetarian in the way that many hunters are fanatical animal killers. If, say, you and I live together and you are badly injured, I have no qualms about hunting on your behalf to keep you from starving; I fully understand that your body doesn’t recognize plant protein as protein and doesn’t know how to use it. It took me two years to do the transition.

    As to Saddam Hussein, it was never denied that he had toxic gases. Remember the guy who was nicknamed “Chemical Ali”? Hussein was accused instead of possessing nuclear weapons and other devastating explosives, which was a lie. Regarding Kuwait, note that (1) in Turkish colonial days, it was always part of the province of which Basra was the capital, so it absolutely WAS part of what is now known as “Iraq”. (2) because of that, every government which Iraq has had since its independence from the Turks has claimed Kuwait as its own national territory; (3) the British cut off Kuwait from the rest of Iraq so that they would always control its oil; (4) and, for this purpose, they set up as rulers of Kuwait the members of an old PIRATE family which had whored itself out to the British long before; (5) note also that the Kuwaitis were DRILLING OBLIQUELY into what was, in effect, Iraqi territory, thus stealing Iraqi oil — you try that stunt in Texas, and you get shot. Moreover, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, testified before Congress that, on behalf of Bush, she had given Hussein the go-ahead on fighting Kuwait. Hussein was viciously betrayed by the U.S. Government. And Iraq was destroyed, not helped.

    As regards the Kurds, the British gassed them mercilessly in the 1920’s, and I don’t see anyone squawking about that. The Kurds got royally screwed at the end of World War I, along with the Arabs, and it was no Arab’s fault; it was the fault of the governments of Britain and France. The Middle Eastern government that has fought them and massacred them the hardest is the Turkish. Saddam Hussein was pretty mild with them; he never did anything to them unless they actually attacked him — as at that famous assassination attempt. Note that he always had Kurdish ministers in his cabinet and that TWO-THIRDS OF THE REPUBLICAN GUARD, HIS PERSONAL MILITARY ELITE, WAS KURDISH.

    Note also that, for decades, Hussein worked for the U.S. It was on behalf of the U.S., for example, that he attacked Iran and fought them for years. The U.S. put him in power, used him, set him up and erased him.

    The news anchors of RT did not quit because they had to lie. They said that to get brownie points so they could get a higher-paying job in the west. All news anchors everywhere lie. Those of the U.S. and the BBC are probably the worst. I regularly find both RT.com and presstv.ir far more objective, informative and truthful than their U.S. counterparts. Heck, the Iranian presstv actually broadcasts genuine U.S. news which are silenced in this country; reports about the homeless, for example.; from meeting plenty of hobos myself, I know the Iranians are telling the truth.

    Keep in mind that Roberts knows a lot, is too intelligent to fall for the common brainwashing and, what is most important, really loves this country. And that the crimes of the Government are now in everybody’s face because the beast is so strong that it doesn’t care. Katrina was the dress rehearsal. So was the Boston “massacre”. Now comes the real thing.

    Don’t take too seriously the setting up of your own forest fortress, Instead, learn to swim. Swim very well.

    Watch the movie “Now You See Me” and think furiously. There are things one may not say in an email, but think. There are ways to outwit our masters, but they are not what bloggers talk about. Those who figure them out do not talk about them at all.

    There is a writer who is not everybody’s dish, but, who knows, you might pick up a hint to help you with the above. I am referring to John Rappoport — his indication of how to be out of the Matrix, not his more “political” articles. If you find him too weird, don’t worry; you can still figure it out by yourself; but Rappoport does understand, and he does show. He’s just not so much fun as the movie.

    Best of luck.

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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Xocjm wrote:</div>Welcome for a newbie

    Not sure if you mean “for” or “from” … but WELCOME regardless.

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    Novus Ordo,

    Just a supplement to what I answered you above.

    As to going vegetarian, you might like to read Mike Adams, aka The Health Ranger, by subscribing to Natural Health News. It is free of charge, packed with useful information, and you may discontinue it when you like.

    I do not recommend subscribing to Rappoport’s site because, aside from the fact that you may not like him, he is too prolific. He bombards people with two or three articles a day. If you find his Matrix-oriented material of value, just look occasionally.

    #20717
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    Novus Ordo
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    rprepper

    Anselm – thanks for the detailed response, especially in light of your newly encountered gubmint thought policing actions at the library. What a farce that someone in the halls of power actually believes they can block a site due to “Extreme and Radical Thought”. Unbelievable that they can do this, yet I’m sure that same library is filled with books on the same “Extreme and Radical Thought” in book forms. How about all of the books on murderers and what’s in their mind? Or the radical thoughts of the future? You’re right though – any way they can curtail information and communication between us under the presumption of something else, they will definitely do it. How sad that we’ve let this happen.

    I fully understand your predicament and agree with you and your choice to try and remain anonymous to the highest degree possible. No worries, I’ll take the responses as they come even if some time in between.

    I already knew you weren’t a radical vegetarian to begin with which is why I continue to discuss it with you. I’m not a radical hunter either. I supplement my freezer with one or two deer a year and some fish. Other than that, like I said, I’m not a trophy hunter.

    Appreciate the discussion on Saddam and Kuwait and such. I’ll have to look into it a bit more – although just because the Kuwait area was part of Iraq/Turkey before doesn’t mean it needs to be now. If that were the case we’d still be fighting the redcoats. I didn’t know Kuwait was drilling sideways into Iraq though – that would make a difference.

    I’ve watched a a bit of RT in the past, but it’s been the opinion shows and I just couldn’t stand the anti-US slant. Not saying we do everything right, but there must be a reason that we still have the influx of people wanting to come in that we do. I’ll try it again on the actual news shows.

    Anyway, thanks for the info on Rappoport and Roberts and the link on my permaculture topic. I’ll look into them all. Good luck reversing the library decision and see you next time.

    K

    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
    - Thomas Paine

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