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  • #18817
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    OFG, you are so right about not being able to charge rent on property you don’t own. What a perfect description of what the criminals in DC and elsewhere are doing. Well said.

    For God, Family, Country, & Liberty!

    #18821
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    Underground lol, hopefully foot in mouth disease is not in any way contagious.

    #18866
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    Well, this topic took quite a few turns, but despite all of the passionate discussions I still found that there were things to learn and appreciate all who have participated.

    Anselm – concerning your last and the IRS “knowing” where someone buried his cash (paper?) and the cave mapping; any links to these stories or similar? I have one for you – IF the gubmint was/is so omniscient why didn’t they find this? I’m sure that they would have committed unnatural acts to get their hands on this before this couple did, wouldn’t you? Yet no IRS agents strolling the trail with shovels…

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/california-gold-discovery/index.html

    Not doubting what you have to say – but need a bit more “proof”.

    On the subject of armed people standing up – it’s happened and happens on a daily basis. The NRA publishes stories of armed resistance on a monthly basis. Need something bigger? Here’s one – all it takes is a big enough trigger.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

    Anyway, great points on seeking out other cultures for urban survival ideas. Not sure I’d go into snake powder production hoping to live to 100, but I’d try it at least once!

    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
    - Thomas Paine

    #18870
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Novus Ordo wrote:</div>Well, this topic took quite a few turns, but despite all of the passionate discussions I still found that there were things to learn and appreciate all who have participated.

    Anselm – concerning your last and the IRS “knowing” where someone buried his cash (paper?) and the cave mapping; any links to these stories or similar? I have one for you – IF the gubmint was/is so omniscient why didn’t they find this? I’m sure that they would have committed unnatural acts to get their hands on this before this couple did, wouldn’t you? Yet no IRS agents strolling the trail with shovels…

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/california-gold-discovery/index.html

    Not doubting what you have to say – but need a bit more “proof”.

    On the subject of armed people standing up – it’s happened and happens on a daily basis. The NRA publishes stories of armed resistance on a monthly basis. Need something bigger? Here’s one – all it takes is a big enough trigger.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

    Anyway, great points on seeking out other cultures for urban survival ideas. Not sure I’d go into snake powder production hoping to live to 100, but I’d try it at least once!

    Novus Ordo, the satellites with the fabulous cameras don’t belong to the IRS specifically; they belong to the highest level of Government. That group will notify the IRS if it wants to, or keep mum. I can not give you the identity of the unfortunate man who got robbed because it was in this area, and I absolutely don’t want to cause the poor guy more problems; nor myself; I only mentioned the case because I knew it personally, and it scared the heck out of me. You’re right that the IRS would give anything to get its clutches on a stash like that found by the happy couple — and who says they haven’t; how did that story end? — but the higher Government might not want the IRS to get it. In the many years that the “high club” has scanned the U.S., I’m sure they’ve seen what’s hidden in every square foot of land; and that most of the valuable stuff — for example, Confederate gold — they’ve left right where it is. There it is safe for them. They don’t need it for now. They’ll dig it up when they need it.

    I have seen stories like the one you point out, and those stories have always been in England. Some lucky man finds a Celtic or Anglo-Saxon treasure in his backyard or in a field … and then ruins it by notifying the authorities, who proceed to confiscate it. About each couple of years, something like that pops up in the English press. What we don’t know is how many smarter English guys find a tiny bit of something sticking out, wait till night to dig it up and then keep their mouth shut about it …

    Here is one: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/09/24/staffordshire.uk.gold.hoard/

    As to that post about wonderful things to be learned from other peoples, I have just added five more items. The one about the sheets of gauze to catch water in the air is crucial; such wide sheets can be bought in this country on EBay; and they are made in China, of real cotton.

    I found you a text that mentions several methods to collect water from fog and dew:

    http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/03/07/the-fog-collectors-harvesting-water-from-thin-air/

    There, they mention that the Chinese prefer spider silk.

    And here is another: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_collection
    Here they say “canvas”. The Argentinians who told me about it said “gauze”. I haven’t tried it so I don’t know which would work better.

    Thank you for the Battle of Athens text. I did not know it, and it was heartwarming to read. Yet, I do not see anything like that today. In U.S. history, there have been small attempts, like the proclamation of the State of Franklin way before the Civil War, in which there have been small moments of defiance, but nothing has been done on a steady basis nor that has gained anything positive since the Civil War. The most appalling incident, in my opinion, was the cavalry charge against the World War I veterans in Washington, D.C. in 1932; there should really have been a national uprising.

    #18928
    Whirlibird
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Anselm wrote: The most appalling incident, in my opinion, was the cavalry charge against the World War I veterans in Washington, D.C. in 1932; there should really have been a national uprising.

    The Bonus Army.
    Appalling, yes. Horrific, yes.
    MacArthur went above and way beyond his orders, disobeying the President.

    Eyewitnesses, including MacArthur’s aide Dwight D. Eisenhower (later Supreme Allied Commander of WWII and two-term President of the United States), insisted that Secretary of War Hurley, speaking for the president, had forbade any troops to cross the bridge into Anacostia and that at least two high-ranking officers were dispatched by Hurley to convey these orders to MacArthur. Eisenhower later wrote in his book, At Ease, that MacArthur, “said he was too busy and did not want either himself or his staff bothered by people coming down and pretending to bring orders.” Eisenhower put it more bluntly during an interview with the late historian Stephen Ambrose. “I told that dumb son-of-a-***** he had no business going down there,” he said.

    National uprising?
    At that time, hardly a possibility.
    Think about it this way, news took days to weeks to get across the country in many cases, especially if it was being censored. The modern information highway was only a dream at that point.
    Secondly, the country was in the depths of the depression, most people were trying to keep food on the table, not considering taking down the government.

    #18957
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Whirlibird wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Anselm wrote: The most appalling incident, in my opinion, was the cavalry charge against the World War I veterans in Washington, D.C. in 1932; there should really have been a national uprising.<br>

    The Bonus Army.<br>
    Appalling, yes. Horrific, yes.<br>
    MacArthur went above and way beyond his orders, disobeying the President.

    Eyewitnesses, including MacArthur’s aide Dwight D. Eisenhower (later Supreme Allied Commander of WWII and two-term President of the United States), insisted that Secretary of War Hurley, speaking for the president, had forbade any troops to cross the bridge into Anacostia and that at least two high-ranking officers were dispatched by Hurley to convey these orders to MacArthur. Eisenhower later wrote in his book, At Ease, that MacArthur, “said he was too busy and did not want either himself or his staff bothered by people coming down and pretending to bring orders.” Eisenhower put it more bluntly during an interview with the late historian Stephen Ambrose. “I told that dumb son-of-a-***** he had no business going down there,” he said.

    National uprising?<br>
    At that time, hardly a possibility.<br>
    Think about it this way, news took days to weeks to get across the country in many cases, especially if it was being censored. The modern information highway was only a dream at that point.<br>
    Secondly, the country was in the depths of the depression, most people were trying to keep food on the table, not considering taking down the government.

    Right, Whirlibird, but look at it this way: most people NOW are “trying to keep food on the table, not considering taking down the government.”

    And, were people prone to organization, communications would hardly require “the modern information highway”. Just off the top of my head, here’s one of many examples. In 1808, Napoleon had “garrisoned” the territory of his ally, Spain, and taken the Spanish Royal Family prisoner. The moment the people of Madrid saw that even the royal children were being hauled off, they revolted and attacked the French cavalry with POCKETNIVES; those civilians were massacred. The next day, news of this reached the tiny village of Mostoles, just north of Madrid, and its 72-year-old mayor came out with a proclamation to the effect that, as Spain was, in effect, invaded and its highest government prisoner, it was THE MAYORS who were the only legitimate government left in the nation; and that, in the name of all the mayors of Spain, he thereby declared war upon the French Empire. In THREE DAYS, the proclamation had reached every corner of Spain, and all the other mayors subscribed it. The whole population mobilized, and Napoleon suddenly had one hell of a problem which led to his expulsion from Spain and ultimate defeat six years later. No “modern information highway” was needed, just the will to act and a sense of organization. When people pull together, there’s no limit to what they can accomplish.

    #18964
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    Anselm – Oh I believe it for sure and no doubt the couple payed their taxes on the find just like the lotto winners and even us poor casino winners on occasion. Hell, CA even wants us to report recycling refunds as “income”! If I were them I would have sold one or two of those at a time across the country over a few years and had a different story for each sale. OK, got you on the guy hit up by the IRS – it’s definitely not beyond the scope of technology as fast as it has advanced. Read an article about caching and one nugget was to use a local “junkyard” or landfill so your item just becomes one of the many pieces of junk in the yard. Remember, they used to bury whole cars, washers, fridges, etc. just a few decades ago. Read about the silk/gauze water nets a few months ago – great idea for those areas with annual fog banks, yet water shortages – like here in CA.

    Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
    - Thomas Paine

    #18997
    Whirlibird
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    Anselm, no arguments here, but getting most people off xbox and the kardashians is more a challenge than years ago.

    People today are apathetic, almost scarily so.
    What can be done and what will be done…..
    Two distinctly different things.

    As for the Spanish coming together against Nappy’s troops, no surprise there, nobody liked the French.

    #19003
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    Without exaggeration I believe that the majority of Americans today could not give name both their two Senators and their Congressman. Voter turnout for local and State elections are pitifully low in most jurisdictions unless there is a huge controversy. Even with Presidential elections many sit home watching TV and playing with their phones rather than vote. Things will have to get really bad before large numbers of people begin to protest. The Titans of Wall Street and DC know this and so continue doing as these please.

    #19027
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Novus Ordo wrote:</div>Anselm – Oh I believe it for sure and no doubt the couple payed their taxes on the find just like the lotto winners and even us poor casino winners on occasion. Hell, CA even wants us to report recycling refunds as “income”! If I were them I would have sold one or two of those at a time across the country over a few years and had a different story for each sale. OK, got you on the guy hit up by the IRS – it’s definitely not beyond the scope of technology as fast as it has advanced. Read an article about caching and one nugget was to use a local “junkyard” or landfill so your item just becomes one of the many pieces of junk in the yard. Remember, they used to bury whole cars, washers, fridges, etc. just a few decades ago. Read about the silk/gauze water nets a few months ago – great idea for those areas with annual fog banks, yet water shortages – like here in CA.

    You’ve given us a great pointer. A house next to mine burned down, and the cheapskates who cleaned up the site made the remnants disappear and smoothed the ground over actually buried most of the rubble right there; much of that residue was metallic. It IS a great place to bury something extra ….

    #19031
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    Whirlibird and MountainBiker, you are both right. In the reply I sent a while ago to Novus Ordo in the Introduction and Prepper Profile section, I mentioned very able people I know in my city who will handle any probable problem. However, there are plenty of the other kind of people.

    I only found out last month that, in our neighborhood, there are a bunch of YOUNG folks who, literally, do not know how to replace a flat tyre. I did not know such a breed existed. I mean, in this country, guys are born with a steering wheel between their hands. Yet, some yuppies in the neighborhood don’t have the foggiest notion how their car jacks work.

    No, I don’t expect them to vote. Or confront lying politicians or abusive cops. Or dig for water.

    However, they can be taught. If SHTF for real, I think they can be instructed. They just haven’t needed it up to now.

    One big culprit is television. I am referring specifically to this: TV has created disorder in the American mind by broadcasting its serials out of sequence.

    Think about that very slowly. You have watched episode 8 of series X, and then you are treated to episode 11, then to episode 8 again, and then to 13, 10 and 9, in that order. This disorder has been applied systematically for years, and no one has protested. Had there been an avalanche of public protests coupled with threats of leaving that channel for good, this outrage would have stopped. But the public let it slide and lost its own ability to think in an orderly way. The result is that there is now chaos in the American mind.

    I have not owned a TV for years. As a result, I do not speak in the one-liners which are typical of its dialogues and which are not a normal way for humans to communicate. And, because I do not speak “televisionese”, I find it much easier to control an abusive cop in an encounter. He is used to the TV language and, therefore, knows beforehand all that his victim is going to say, as well as what to reply so as to establish control over the victim. By speaking actual English, I have managed so far (knock hard on wood) to disconcert him.

    To survive the police state, especially in an urban environment, one essential is to never, ever watch television.

    TV has only one usefulness. Sometimes, the images it projects give the lie to what the broadcaster is saying. For example, years ago, we had a barrage of babble about the starvation of the Somali people, the utter lack of food in that wretched country. BUT the film we were shown had strong, very muscular Somali men right in the foreground. So it was all a lie. There was food, but those thugs were keeping it for themselves. It was the women and children who starved; the men had plenty. If you observe, you catch those things.

    The fluoride in the water is probably at fault also. It’s supposed to fry the creative part of the brain. I vote for distillation — and, yes, adding salt. Which reminds me, I hope that you all have a good supply of salt of different kinds; sea salt does not have much iodine; you need sea salt and iodized. I hear that there is an epidemic of iodine deficiency in this country. And, if the thyroid fails, that too will make people lethargic.

    Add our vaccines, which contain mercury, aluminum, barium, acetone, formaldehyde and ten other poisons, and we live in quite a cocktail …

    #19033
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    There were a lot of things to learn on this web page but not much on Is Survival in an Urban Setting even Possible.

    So I am not someone that likes to point things out but this post has been going off topic!

    #19034
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    @Anselm:

    Nothing personal, friend, but you are so good at presenting info, but it seems to be partial info. I like the fluoride and vaccines stuff, but as far as vaccines go, you present no solutions.

    Your “see through walls” and underground technology may be in existence as well, but you presented it as “if I tell you, I’ll have to kill you” and now you are hinting and flirting with the notion of countermeasures. Some here may see you as a puzzle wrapped in an enigma, but my detector is seeing something else, possibly. Don’t be coy, and we can have a “real man” discussion. I know of rumored, beyond cutting edge tech that could be used as you say, but it seems the carrot you are dangling here is rotten, and the string is about to break…

    My Other Anselm pic (Anselm, if the shoe does not fit, I must acquit!)

    "ROGUE ELECTRICIAN" Hoping to be around to re-energize the New World.....

    Cogito, ergo armatus sum

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    #19039
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    “TV has only one usefulness. Sometimes, the images it projects give the lie to what the broadcaster is saying. For example, years ago, we had a barrage of babble about the starvation of the Somali people, the utter lack of food in that wretched country. BUT the film we were shown had strong, very muscular Somali men right in the foreground. So it was all a lie. There was food, but those thugs were keeping it for themselves. It was the women and children who starved; the men had plenty. If you observe, you catch those things.”
    Anselm, I was in Mogadishu from Jan. to June in 1995. Part of an UN operation called United Shield. We were tasked with bringing out all the UN equipment and people.
    Two Warlords ran the country, Adeid and Morgan. In the late 1980’s/early 1990’s NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) would send people and food. The Somali clans had been fighting for years. It then boiled down to Morgan and Adeid. They controlled the people by controlling the food. UN went into Somali in 1992 and gave the government 3 years to get their act together. Place is still screwed up!
    Some things from that time still screw with my head.
    The healthy people from that time were being fed by the two Warlords so the dark comparison between the haves and have nots.
    Robin

    #19096
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Robin wrote:</div>“TV has only one usefulness. Sometimes, the images it projects give the lie to what the broadcaster is saying. For example, years ago, we had a barrage of babble about the starvation of the Somali people, the utter lack of food in that wretched country. BUT the film we were shown had strong, very muscular Somali men right in the foreground. So it was all a lie. There was food, but those thugs were keeping it for themselves. It was the women and children who starved; the men had plenty. If you observe, you catch those things.”<br>
    Anselm, I was in Mogadishu from Jan. to June in 1995. Part of an UN operation called United Shield. We were tasked with bringing out all the UN equipment and people.<br>
    Two Warlords ran the country, Adeid and Morgan. In the late 1980′s/early 1990′s NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) would send people and food. The Somali clans had been fighting for years. It then boiled down to Morgan and Adeid. They controlled the people by controlling the food. UN went into Somali in 1992 and gave the government 3 years to get their act together. Place is still screwed up!<br>
    Some things from that time still screw with my head.<br>
    The healthy people from that time were being fed by the two Warlords so the dark comparison between the haves and have nots.<br>
    Robin

    Thank you, Robin. I am well acquainted with Somalis because I used to work with them in Saudi Arabia. They were mostly good people, and I came to feel personally the anguish of their nation. Did your experience in Mogadishu show you anything that would be sort of applicable to a catastrophe in the U.S. today?

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