Malgus I agree, but for most those reading this, I would hazard a guess that those tools are both beyond their ability to use and or store.

That $10-12K for tools/machines, for you or I, is one thing.

For most, a couple of parts kits, a couple of receivers, a couple of long winter evenings, viola.

Leaving $8K to put back water, food, medical supplies and more.

Heck, I don’t want to spend the time carving out a lower when they are available cheap. My time is better spent working on other things.

I’m looking at these as insurance items, against the possibility of need. Not a couple tons of scrap in the shed taking up valuable space and cash.

This isn’t about what we can do.


You really see those things as “a couple tons of scrap in the shed, taking up valuable space and cash”?

I see them as an investment for the future. And ‘beyond their ability to use or store”… anyone wanting a small tabletop version of either can get them for a pittance. The basics can be learned in a day. I only cited the big machines because I can do the most with them. Small machines are very capable, portable and run on household current…

Each to his own.

As I said, for most reading this.
And they’re going to learn how to carve out a lower in a day? Climb cutting? Tool speeds in various metals?

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

“And they’re going to learn how to carve out a lower in a day? Climb cutting? Tool speeds in various metals?”

Playing the Reductio ad absurdum and Strawman card?

I thought you didn’t fool with argument and logic fallacies. I see I was wrong.

I never said they could carve out a lower in a day. Or climbing cuts or what speeds you should use with certain metals… YOU just did, then pretended I said it, then rebutted your own argument.

Rebutting an argument nobody made – Strawman.

And morphing “the basics can be learned in a day” to all the above? A variant on Reductio Ad Absurdum. Of course it’s absurd to think that any Joe Schlubby can learn how to do all the above in one day… and I never said anything of the sort.

You really want to keep at this, Whirl? I was in a good mood, but you’re testing my famous patience.

The basics – which I will spell out just because you want to play Stupid Games and Win Stupid Prizes – such as which levers and buttons do what, speed control, how to set up a machine and zero out your workpiece, etc – even basic screw cutting – can be learned in ONE DAY.

Advanced skills come with time and practice – such as carving out a M-Forgery Lower, making your own cutting tools and accessory tooling, etc..

Merry Christmas.

The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1