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there isn’t a lot any of us can do if other people are in denial. they wont change their minds(until after SHTF by which time it will be too late) and any thing we do to change their minds will only result in breeching our own OPSEC. there HAS to be a certain amount of “die off” following SHTF, I know my own country cannot feed 64 million people on its own resources, we can only feed about a quarter of that number and even then that’s only once the dust has settled and its safe to plant anything.

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