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Permajan, I’m a big fan of permaculture and am glad that it is growing but I think where you are coming from lends itself to a slow collapse in which people have time to get their gardens established, and even at that a high enough % of the local population doing it to sustain the community. If there is only one person on the block doing it when the SHTF, that homeowner is going to have a whole lot of folks looking for what they have.