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.410is a great teacher. My older daughters(1 is 12 the other 14) have been dove hunting with me the past few years using a .410. They have gotten pretty good considering they are single shots. Last season I let them use the 20g. That was a mistake. I didn’t get to shoot a damn thing. NOTHING made it past them for me to shoot at lol. My 12 yr old looks at me and says” aim small miss small right dad” I just shook my head and smiled.