October 7, 2017 at 5:28 am #52446
I realize that the Vegas massacre is a one-of-a-kind event, and that, being no great fan of standing for hours at a time (even for music I like) I’m not likely to be in a similar situation. But too many “charcoal gray swan” events have occurred in my lifetime, resulting in sweeping changes in the laws under which I live, for me to nonchalantly ignore it entirely. Unfortunately, my understanding of the deadly effectiveness of generally-aimed rifle fire, at such range as Paddock presumably (allegedly?) discharged them.
Despite the “all wrapped up” tone with which he is proclaimed the premier mass murderer of the modern age, I find myself wondering if any of it makes the least sense. An out-of-shape, retired accountant, worth at least several million dollars, which he mostly accumulated dealing in real estate, whose principal pastime is gambling more in a week, than most of us get in a year, suddenly goes full-Rambo, stations himself in a corner suite in a hotel overlooking the concert venue (albeit nearly a quarter mile away) and calmly and deliberately murders as many of the audience as he can, until the cops arrive at his door, whereupon he eats one of his (many) pistols. Not only does it make no sense (mass murder never does) but there’s reason to wonder if he even could accomplish it entirely alone. Yeah, I know it’s possible. But probable? Something stinks! What do you think?
Cry, "Treason!"October 8, 2017 at 10:43 am #52447
Too fishy , I smell staged event , as they are getting desperate . I look at it like Hitler burning the Riechstag , so he could move public opinion against the jews .October 8, 2017 at 10:52 am #52448
The day of the jackal. Paid mercenary. President Trump is too well protected so a secondary target was selected. The shooter was double crossed in some way. I’d compare it overall to the black NFL players going out on the anthem and putting fingers in people’s faces. No one would ever in normal times think these two events are connected but in the deranged minds of the left wing? President Trumps comment theres a storm coming sums it up.
No one has made a single comment to me here or anywhere about the vegas monster being a nutcase. CNN however is considered insane. The news commentary from the netwerks has been so awful. There is no real news from them just perverted ispeculation. Over and over and over again. Alex Jones is about the only guy whos had anything useful to say. The left is intentionally splitting the country apart. Choose your poison. Repug backstabbing or democrap vomit. Internationally that puts the US in the weakest position ever. Or maybe we’re in the midst of the October revolution and cant see it through the media smoke. Cali has seceded and Ny is on the way. The press corps are like animals with their stupid questions. What happens in Washington when all the laws are gone and the rules don’t matter? We’re about to find out.
You wanted to know what I thought. A long winter storm got snowshoes. On the road to Mandalay, great poem by Kipling.October 8, 2017 at 11:50 am #52452
Getting more vicious tolik. I can see the association of muslim rape attacks on women and stabbings at music festivals in sweden france britain. You cant help but wonder who the woman was who gave the warning. She must be smarter than most. Countrywestern fan, white, middle class, targets. There wont be anymore festivals in the US. I especially remember the left wing lawyer who was fired for having no sympathy because the victims were republlicans. Whenever they try to do sympathy stories on the netwerks. Really disgusting. Our local VFW post is boycotting the NFL by the way.
October 8, 2017 at 12:33 pm #52454
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Going with anti depressants for the block.
Too many conspiracy theories out there.
Isis, multiple shooters, blah, blah, blah.
What can we prove?
Over 20 years he bought the guns legally. In gun stores, 4473 records. In multiple states.
After that it’s all just guesswork unless you are looking at the evidence.October 8, 2017 at 12:49 pm #52455
One (to me at least) glaring omission has been any comment on what was inside this guy’s skull. They knew the Texas tower shooter had a brain tumor that almost certainly resulted in his massacre. With or without family permission, they could have at least done some sort of non-invasive scan of his brain before whatever happened to his body. Yet we haven’t heard one thing about an autopsy, let alone findings. If there has been, I sure haven’t seen it, and I’ve actually searched specifically for that information. I can find it in no stories so far. Odd, to say the least, since everybody claims they’re completely stumped on his true motivation. Maybe there’s a more sinister reason afoot that needs to be kept confined to only certain law enforcement agencies (?), but if not, why no autopsy reports? They’ve said he was on “anxiety medication,” yet no actual blood results published? Why not? There are only a handful of stories speculating about what MIGHT show up from an autopsy, with the latest being 19 hours ago (mid-day Saturday). That suggests the autopsy still hasn’t been done. Yes, the coroner’s office is overwhelmed, matching each bullet or fragment with a weapon to determine that no other shooter was involved – that’s 59 dead people + Paddock. Plus, police have to get as many bullets or fragments out of the injured to do the same. Ok, I get the amount of work involved here – massive! But no autopsy on the shooter?
I’m not even speculating – I’m just scratching my head. Sumpin just don’t seem right….
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."October 8, 2017 at 2:21 pm #52456
Its getting bad , if we cant get the left back under control , we either need to fight , or we need to break up . Either is not desirable ……………..but perhaps necessary . You cant keep pushing , and pushing , one group of people , before they get sick of it , and push back .October 8, 2017 at 6:20 pm #52457
“Don’t bother to examine a folly — ask yourself only what it accomplishes.” Ayn Rand
Cry, "Treason!"October 8, 2017 at 10:41 pm #52461October 9, 2017 at 3:24 am #52464
Very interesting interview on Fox News today with Steve Wynn (the hotel magnate in LV). He talked about how he “hardened” his hotels beginning two years ago. He said he “got every consultant and advisor I could think of from Ray Kelly to Seal Team Six … .” He then spent $10s of millions on upgrading security over the following six months, and his upgraded program has been in place since May 2016.
But what was exceptionally interesting to me was that he compared what happens at his properties with what happened at the Mandalay property (after praising their owners, his “friends at MGM”). Listen to the language he uses to subtly but clearly state what he apparently (and unsurprisingly) knows – contrary to what law enforcement is telling us. Start at 2:10 in the video. The “having said that” comment is a way of going back on what you just said – and he does exactly that. Keep watching from there. Note that he says (in only subtly veiled comparison to Mandalay Bay) they have rules about “Do Not Disturb” signs up more than 12 hours. Note too, that law enforcement has told us that the Mandalay Bay had their employees going in and out of Paddock’s room, and they noticed nothing out of order. (Note also, though unrelated, that Wynn’s hotels do not allow guns in their properties – therefore not a place where one can expect to protect one’s self or family.)
Then suddenly at about 3:12 he says, “Let’s put it this way. The scenario that we’re aware of would have indicated he didn’t let anyone in the room for two or three days.” OOOPS! Not what law enforcement is telling us publicly. Are we to believe that Steve Wynn doesn’t know what’s going on in the hotel industry in detail in Las Vegas, and doesn’t have very first hand knowledge of what happened over at his competitor’s hotel? I find that to stretch credibility – he’s got inside sources that we couldn’t even begin to touch. Fox even put up on the interview highlight in print, “A 24-hour, 36-hour do not disturb sign is a ‘predicate for investigation.’ ” And Chris Wallace did not even begin to challenge that narrative, despite it conflicting with what we’ve been told by the media and apparently investigators about Mandalay employees going in and out of Paddock’s room and noticing nothing unusual.
Then jump to 7:14 in the video: “However, nobody in this company’s (Wynn’s) history, no public person, has ever walked in the service elevator unless they were accompanied by security.” Chris Wallace then asked, “Did he go in the service elevator, Steve?” Wynn answered, “I’m just saying ….” He stumbled around for words for a moment, weakly said, “I’m not sure whether he did,” but then emphasized that “nobody goes in the back of the house unaccompanied.” My wife went to a business convention several years ago, before there was any real concern about terrorism (pre-9/11), and the only elevator to her floor was totally glass and open all the way up and down. There was zero possibility she would have ridden that – it’s just something that she has a severe reaction to. The hotel easily accommodated her by ESCORTING her in the service elevator every time she needed to go up or down. They were very nice about it, and it was clear that they had long ago addressed that issue and had that as routine procedure. Therefore, what really happened in the Mandalay Bay Hotel?
Then Wynn doubled back at the 7:41 point, and said, “Being in a room for three days in a do not disturb situation, that would have triggered an alarm here. … We’d want to know more about anybody that had been sequestered in a room for more than 12 hours….” Wynn had already made that point, came back to it, and Wallace again never challenged that point – despite media reports to the contrary.
Then at 8:24 Wallace asks him if he has a theory. Listen carefully to Wynn’s answer. He appears to be methodically destroying the possibility that this was simply a deranged man. He goes on to talk in terms of a plan and a message. I could be wrong, but it appears that with all of Wynn’s knowledge of what actually happened at the Mandalay Bay hotel, as well as his own investigation of Paddock and his girlfriend while staying at his own facilities many times, that he feels quite confident in saying it was simply not the act of a suddenly deranged individual. I got no sense that Wynn does know what the plan or message or motive was, just that he’s certain there was one, not just a sudden psychotic impulse.
And is $100,000 ALL Paddock wired to the Philippines? And to whom did he wire money over there over an extended period of time? Never forget that Terry Nichols has never given an interview (to my knowledge, at least), was not executed despite McVeigh being “dispatched” without comment, and that Nichols made multiple trips to the Philippines and was there during the same time as Ramzi Yousef, the man behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Allegedly, Nichols’ bombs didn’t work prior to his trips to the Philippines, but they did afterward. And at least on some of those trips he left his Filipino wife here in the U.S. There is (and has been for many years) a hotbed of radical, violent Islamic fundamentalism in the Philippines. Connection???? We’re not hearing much about that aspect, though in fairness they MAY be carefully tracking all that down and not wanting to tip their hand, so I’m content to wait on that aspect of the investigation – just saying it needs to be done, fully.
Steve Wynn cannot be called a dummy, and Steve Wynn is a major power player in Las Vegas. He knows what’s going on from very inside sources – separate from the police. And that interview is the first direct crack I’ve seen in the story that we’re being given. Plus, Chris Wallace never challenged – twice – Wynn’s mention of a 2-3 day window of sequestration in the room by Paddock, using the do-not-disturb sign continuously. I have no belief whatever, based on watching that interview closely, that Steve Wynn was simply speculating about what MIGHT have happened at Mandalay Bay, or that he was simply using this opportunity for marketing purposes, emphasizing much better security at his own hotels. It had every appearance of him knowing exactly what he was saying, i.e. that what we’re being told by the police and media is NOT entirely accurate.
But what do I know…. Form your own conclusions, if you choose.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."
October 9, 2017 at 9:09 am #52466
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I wonder if he used hypnosis to improve his playing ability. He was introverted, he liked to play video poker and possibly he was placed in a trance like state by someone. According to Wynn he was a rational person. I heard a story about Edgar Cayce recently. Under hypnosis he became a doctor. I dont think he Mr. Phelps of mission impossible but he does sound like he could be a split personality. Did he send his girlfriend away or did she have him send her away. No way to prove mind control but they are still looking for a motive. He didnt drink. However he could have been enhancing his mental concentration in an unknown way. What do they say about AI… Summoning the demon.
Just speculation. What did Sherlock say. When you exclude the possible and all you have left is crazy. It may be true.October 9, 2017 at 11:55 am #52467
Again, “experts” brought in to guess.
Even if Wynn knows exactly what happened in a competitors hotel, he would be a fool to reveal.
He may look a fool for the interview, but to go forth and prove it?
“Benghazi” the evidence? Are you kidding?
Some of “ours” were wounded and killed.
Trying to help not run away.
If you think that would fly, you don’t get it.October 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm #52468
Even if Wynn knows exactly what happened in a competitors hotel, he would be a fool to reveal.
Steve Wynn would seem to be no fool. So what are you saying? Why would he state two different specific things about what happened in the Mandalay Bay, one of them two times, a full week after the crime? What’s his motivation – just increasing market share for Wynn Hotels? Seems like an awfully cheap shot at a horrible time, if that’s all it is. You got a better idea?
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."October 9, 2017 at 3:30 pm #52469
I’m saying that either he’s grandstanding for revenue in his hotels, or he has information from/about the competition that he shouldn’t have revealed in any case, no matter how he got it.
Whole lot of guessing and supposition going on, with very few facts.
Any information released through official sources is going to be highly filtered, as this is an active investigation regardless of the death of Paddock.
Groups of investigators going through his life with a microscope, every facet.
And to release anything that might compromise that investigation would be ridiculous.
To Wynn, the media or the general public.
So any information Wynn may have gleaned from unknown sources is going to be suspect.
Contradiction in his statements, could be as simple as not remembering which story he was last told. Could be making stuff up.
Right now, until I hear it from LVPD Homicide, I’m going on “not factual”.October 9, 2017 at 4:10 pm #52470
Factual. He’s owned by someone or … something. Wynn has no interest in deceiving anybody. He talked to his employees, he has experience with people like Paddock. He knows their quirks. He understood Paddock wasnt a compulsive gambler. It was mental with him. Even making all that money he was still frugal. But even so wiring 100k to the girlfriend may have been a signal. Actually its beginning to sound like Casino Royale. Wynn couldnt possible know everything going down there. Huge amounts of money changing hands. To make 5 million gambling in one year could mean Paddock had up to 100 million in play. How do you get to someone like him.
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