June 6, 2016 at 1:50 am #49007
I found this by nice accident, while looking for an old, now apparently deleted article on a completely different subject. I find it very interesting that this is from a publication promoting the values of the Arab world, and particularly Saudi Arabia. It promotes a return to spirituality in Europe, without suggesting Islam as the vehicle for that return, but instead actually deeply laments the significant decline in the Christian faith of so many in Europe. I also found the first (and at this moment only) comment by Javed Mir to be of particular interest – a clear reflection of the place held by Jesus Christ within much more traditional Islam (NOT the folks we’d like to see wiped off the face of the earth). So few understand (and apparently too many adherents even to Islam) that the person known as Jesus Christ does have a significant place of reverence within Islam – we just rarely hear about that in the U.S., particularly. Ah, yes…. The power of propaganda, and the constant misuse of the concept of dialectic.
Interesting food for thought, if nothing else:
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."June 6, 2016 at 11:32 am #49011
Too little too late.
Because of the complicity of the majority, the silent almost taciturn approval of the (disagreeing) minority, all Muslims will be and are lumped together.
Just like cops and survivalists.
One bonehead can ruin it for all.
You want to be compared to gun kid?
Cause I don’t want to be compared to Drew Peterson.
Like a room full of scorpions, I don’t have to get stung to distrust them.
After getting stung, the room would likely get firebombed to get the one, and any others.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, time to make Peking duck.
Extra crispy.June 6, 2016 at 2:18 pm #49014
While the authors conclusions appear to be accurate and could be applied to both Europe and the USA, his solution is laughable. “Should deal with this matter seriously and take sound, rational, scientific measures to ensure the development of spirituality”
Governments promoting religion scientifically?
Churches promoting religion scientifically?
Only tyrannical control can do that.June 6, 2016 at 3:24 pm #49015
You want to be compared to gun kid?
Cause I don’t want to be compared to Drew Peterson.
Wow, Whirlibird! What happened to all that training designed to assess whether there is even a threat, before deciding to turn the nearest person into a target and opening fire?!?
How in the world you pulled out a response like that from an article wholly unrelated to either good/bad cops, or my comments having to do with the unlikely source for such an article, is a complete mystery to me. I wouldn’t have bothered to provide the link to the article if my post was a defense of Islam – because the article had zero to do with a defense of Islam. I merely commented that I found it ironic that a Muslim publication from Saudi Arabia pointed out how the decline of Europe is a direct result of the significant decline in religious faith in Europe (primarily Christian, per the article). And I commented that it’s unlikely we’d even see such an article in U.S. media. But then I seriously doubt you even bothered to read the article, or your response wouldn’t have made any sense to you either – at least here in this thread.
People around here don’t like being told what to do, so I won’t suggest going back to bed, and then getting back out of it on the other side. And some people don’t even like being shot at for issues unrelated to the point of their posts…. But then I suppose some hunters get so single-issue oriented that everything begins to look like a duck.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."
June 6, 2016 at 3:49 pm #49017
- This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by GeorgiaSaint.
74, your point is well taken. I noticed the same thing, and had pretty much the same thoughts – so I fully agree. I just happened to focus on the observation that Europe has declined substantially as the level of importance in anything spiritual has also declined. And in the surprising case of the article, it focused on the decline of Christian churches specifically. Heaven forbid (hah hah! couldn’t resist) that western media would EVER make the suggestion that a return to religious faith (especially Christian) could have a positive impact on a society, or that the reverse could possibly be true.
Heck – we’re not even allowed to wish people a merry Christmas anymore, yet I’ve seen multiple articles in the past week leading up to the beginning of Ramadan, instructing non-Muslims how to support their Muslim friends in THEIR worship, what parts of Ramadan can be participated in by non-Muslims, what it all means, etc., etc., etc. Thus, the source of the article I linked was both a surprising and a welcome relief from the cr@p being fed to us by our own media – even if the author thinks scientific studies are the way to go (LOL!). Can we even imagine seeing this closing statement in a western publication?
The implications of atheism are apparent in Europe. This is not the desired situation. Once the communities become strengthened spiritually, they can achieve happiness and develop themselves. If Europe aspires to flourish, strengthen and lead the way in the field of democracy, it should first take notice of this fact.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."June 6, 2016 at 4:04 pm #49018
I’m of the opinion that our society will not pull out of the decline until we spend time at the bottom. Much like how addicts of all types discover themselves before recovery. Unfortunately for all of us that is a horrible path to take. Not all addicts make it either and perhaps we shan’t as well.June 6, 2016 at 4:20 pm #49022
Perfect analogy in so many respects.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."June 6, 2016 at 4:37 pm #49023
One could argue that religious social wingers are the source of the decline in the USA. Their principles have made them one world internationalists. Their Christian support of sanctuary cities has virtually created this out of control immigration problem. Unitarian Universalist God will provide no man can judge love is all you need. Save the world… Jesus worshippers.
They sure aren’t the Knights Templar.
June 6, 2016 at 5:12 pm #49025
- This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by Brulen.
In my view the people that have accepted the cultural mores of the left connot be true to Christianity. They have perverted the meaning of everything and lost the way.June 6, 2016 at 6:15 pm #49026
My comment was in part comparing the attitudes of most in regards to Muslim’s, cops and survivalists, because of the source, giving an easier to visualize comparison.
And also in response to the article, while it did address the fall of Christianity and the rise of atheism, it was lost and as you accurately said, it will never be public here because of the author/the source, an Arab/Muslim source. Again, because of the actions of a few, and the silent approval of the masses, the attitude towards them is such that anything is suspect or ignored.
Has Europe fallen? Certainly, but is the decline in religious beliefs the cause or a symptom?
Possibly, the rise in commercialism , the death of the nuclear family and more.
Typing on a phone, it’s hard to fully expand on certain things without losing signal sometimes.
Most lump the Muslim’s together, peaceful or not. Tarred and feathered with the same brush, radicalized or not. And not without some reason.June 6, 2016 at 9:23 pm #49027
I have to agree that Christians have lost their balls , in the face of Muslims that have found theirs again . I have always thought that we should go in there from one side , and the Russians from the other , and squeeze and pop them like a zit ……………once and for all . Divvy it up with permanent occupation , and suck it dry . It sickens me that this country has grown accustomed to defeat , we are not the French , no reason this country should EVER loose a war . Good movie set in the crusades , is ” Kingdom of Heaven ” , good movie , actually shows Muslims with honor ( if Saladin’s portrayal was not fictionalized )June 7, 2016 at 6:17 am #49029
Well Tolik, between you and Whirlibird this thread has been quite successfully hijacked.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."June 7, 2016 at 12:07 pm #49030
Cognitive issues abound.June 7, 2016 at 2:16 pm #49032
Muslims NOT being grouped together? Have you read the quran? Are you familiar at all with muslim religion? Let me give you a few tidbits of fact: The muslim religious texts are NOT open for interpretation. It plainly states that the quran is to be taken literally. When you read it, if it says to lie to infidels (Al-taqiyya) and deceive them. It says to kill those unbelievers as early as the second book (al-baqarah) and that is their duty. It also says that there is no law above the laws of islam. This means that the new major of London can’t uphold the laws of England before the laws of his faith. If he does, then he is marked for death per their religion…. Again, no interpretations allowed.
The attacks on Christian churches is a way to break down morals, confuse the masses as to how religions work, and shake the foundations of all these countries that sprang up with a strong Christian belief. It is al-taqiyya and you don’t have to have that many brain cells to figure it out.
Being accepting of cultures that are not violent and out to kill you is a good thing, but letting weasels live in your chicken coop because you think they should get along is just asinine.
June 7, 2016 at 5:27 pm #49034
- This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by sledjockey.
Actually quite a bit of reading on Islam. Know thy enemy.
Especially the parts where it states where the violent, radical texts supersede the previous, more peaceful texts.
But again I say, regardless of whether or not the author is correct, the writing will be discounted because of who he is and the avenue used to put forth the information.
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