January 23, 2015 at 3:02 am #35075
namelusSurvivalistJanuary 23, 2015 at 3:18 am #35078
Nah, just some more sabre rattling until Russia decides to start taking over countries again.
But expect to see some russian butt to be kicked soon.
Those 9000 troops that have invaded the Ukraine to assist the rebels, that is an invasion force, call it what you will.
And with some decent gear and training in Ukrainian hands, this could get interesting for those invaders.
For those who can’t understand why the Ukrainian oeople need to figure this out without invading armies…..
It would be like the army of Mexico crossing the Rio Grande to help the Aztlan punks to take back Arizona.January 23, 2015 at 3:25 am #35079
If we keep sending Ukraine soap and toiletries instead of arms it won’t matter how well grandma is trained.January 23, 2015 at 3:34 am #35083
Nah we need to send those to Venezuela.
The arms, can be taken at least in part off dead russian soldats.
Shouldn’t take long with proper motivation.January 23, 2015 at 3:45 am #35086
I think if the rest of Ukraine looks like the airport, nobody ….absolutely nobody will want it. The reconstruction costs will be to high. The land will be valueless for farming until its cleared of all the crap. Neither Side will win.January 23, 2015 at 5:49 am #35092
It would be over by now if they would just simply let the Novorussian state go , and say goodbye and good riddance . Then Ukraine proper joins NATO and the EU ……….everybody is happy . Some times , if a situation is left alone without interference , it works itself out rather quickly , but all the interference makes things last longer , and get worse than they should have . Like when the government hands out bail outs , instead of letting the free enterprise system work , and letting them go under …………let the corrections occur .
Generally speaking , Ukrainians are pretty crappy soldiers , conscripts , most of which dont want to be there in the first place , or understand why they are being forced to fight . Training those guys will be about as much fun as training the Afghans . The officers that dont actually fight , will be gung ho , but the guys actually having to go out there will be unreliable at best . Sort of like the Germans relying on the Italians to hold the line at all costs . Just SayinJanuary 23, 2015 at 7:58 am #35097
Living in Africa, I’ve learned that sometimes it is no use in trying to explain logic to certain people. But
It is very simple – The US wants to invade Ukraine. The US are the terrorist. Divide et impera.
Nothing new- same old story like they’ve done in rest of the world. If you still do not get it. You may need a map. Now, put your finger on North America – then put your finger on Ukraine. Then ask yourself “Who is invading who?”January 23, 2015 at 8:17 am #35099
Tolik: that sounds like the same description of the russians I’ve gotten from several sources. Must be endemic in that area.
Leopard: That’s an interesting viewpoint, how do you figure, since we’re going there at the request of the Ukrainian government, as opposed to sending soldiers and tanks uninvited across the borders and shooting down airliners like some other .gov.
These rebels remind me of the ANC and ZANU-PF.
Except they haven’t started necklacing people yet.January 23, 2015 at 8:39 am #35100
You need to to look at the bigger picture to be able to see it, Whirlibird.
Think US should focus on South Africa rather. At least we speak English.
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Was looking at the bigger picture, still can’t figure out the terrorist comment though.January 23, 2015 at 2:49 pm #35108
Terrorist is definitely the wrong word to use but there is a valid point in saying that the US does think it can intervene anywhere it wants and that we are the ones to decide who is right and who is wrong. Of course, if it wasn’t for the US the Soviets would have taken far more of Europe than they did following WWII, and Russia would be expanding unimpeded right now. The US is all that stands between China and its taking over all of Southeast Asia, Australia, and then Africa and probably South America too. For all our faults, much of the world will miss us if we are suddenly gone or if we pulled back to within our borders and let Russia, China, and the Muslims do as they will.January 23, 2015 at 3:51 pm #35111
No there will not be any U. S. troops there, period. O doesn’t really care about Ukraine. O does care about his SAUDI ARABIA’S KING ABDULLAH dieing yesterday, O is crying all day today. O cares more about what happens to Iran then what Israel needs.January 23, 2015 at 6:04 pm #35123
Think US should focus on South Africa rather. At least we speak English. – See more at: http://community.shtfschool.com/forums/topic/usa-to-put-troops-into-ukraine/#post-35100
Leopard, it would be good if the English speaking world would rally around the European South Africans, but the current US Administration will never do it. In my opinion the 6 most powerful positions in the US are the President, Attorney General, Director of Homeland Security, Director of the Defense Dept., the National Security Advisor, and the President’s personal advisor. 5 of those 6 people are black. ‘Bams openly takes sides in black-white issues before any facts are even gathered. He and the Attorney General have openly flamed racial discord and his personal advisor Valerie Jarrett has done it in the background as evidenced by her role in the latest news that the National Guard was purposely withheld in Ferguson Missouri last summer. On racial matters ‘Bams regularly turns to Al Sharpton for advice, Al being the leading race baiter in the US. Hopefully the next administration will not be as racist as the current one.
Edited to correct my math. I listed the 6 most powerful positions and said 5. That 5 of the 6 are black speaks to where ‘Bams is coming from on the racial issue.January 23, 2015 at 6:43 pm #35128
Leopard I agree with MountainBiker that it will not happen. At this time we are in an administration that doesn’t care about South Africa.January 23, 2015 at 8:20 pm #35132
“The “Kozak” is the first prototype of its kind designed by “Practika” in Kyiv, Ukraine. Meeting Ukrainian Class 4 standards for armoring, the vehicle is built on an IVECO chassis and includes a v-shaped armored hull to guard against anti-personnel mines or other explosives. The prototype is analogous to a lite version of a U.S. Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle.
To date, the United States has delivered dozens of armored pick-up trucks and vans to the Ukrainian Border Guard Service ”
If we go back in history the Pookie http://defensetech.org/2008/11/24/pookie-power/ and later Meerkat and Cougar still being used
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