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  • #38794
    Tolik
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    Perhaps so .

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    #38796
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    freedom
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    Yep 74 is right they are all there. They want to take down the police and at the same time start a revolution, blacks against whites.

    #38798
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    Brulen
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    Yep 74 is right they are all there. They want to take down the police and at the same time start a revolution, blacks against whites.

    Yup from the way the black interviewees are deressing on sin it looks right out of selma. Lots of V masks. They’ve upped their game substantially in Fergus. CPUSA ?

    Notice the blacks fighing blacks.

    #38799
    Whirlibird
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    Ferguson is out of control , but in a way , it echo’s the building anger at the escalating abuse of power by LE’s in the country in general . Like was said in another thread , LE’s are the real ones out of control . The biggest resentment coming from the people is the fact that almost none of the “bad apples ” see’s a day of maximum security prison like you and I would get . That needs to change , they protect them way too much , especially when its plain as day on a video ……….yet nothing happens . Its just going to get worse until they actually make some serious reforms nationwide , with prison sentences , in with the rest of the hardcore inmates . Like Treason , once you knowingly cross the line , your rank and uniform will not protect you .

    There are so many things to say to this.
    But quite honestly I fail to see how saying anything could compete with the venom in your words.

    #38812
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    whirlibird… please eat the applesauce. Its not venom, its applesauce.

    #38814
    Tolik
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    Your either for tyranny or against it , I’m against it . Ferguson is a media freak show , to stir up the less evolved factions of society……….I’m talking about things in general . Why do we need SO many cops , that more resemble , and are as equipped as our soldiers on the battlefield ? WE DONT !!!! the US is not Somalia or Pakistan or Syria . When I say cops , I’m including all the Alphabet soups and the Feds . The balance is gone , and so are the peace officers . Like working off of bad information , and kicking open the door and killing some old Marine in his house , dressed up like Spetnaz , ………no **** the old guy probably was armed , from his point of view , he thinks some thugs are making a home invasion …….because they dont announce WHO they are when they kick in the door in the first place . That happens more often than it should . Yeah , our society is pretty disrespectful and unruly ……but both sides can up the ante with force , instead of stepping back and taking a look at the system in general , and perhaps reevaluate the approach of how things should be done , and what kind of a country we want internally . They dont need the military vehicles that are being bought . I have yet to see a gangbanger with an RPG , again , we are not in Syria . There was a time ( 1950’s ) when the public looked at LE’s as their friends , that should be the case now ………..but it isnt ………why is that ? Because there are not enough Peace officers . Just Sayin

    #38815
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    Honestly it doesn’t surprise me that literally 2 days after their M855 ammo ban is defeated there are 2 cops shot in a city already boiling over with race riots and civil disturbance, all fomented by the mainstream media in conjunction with the authorities deploying increasingly militarized police. Classic divide and conquer tactics between both the public and the local police as well as the various ethnic groups and political positions, with some help from false flag/agent provocateurs which can be twisted any which way by the media propaganda ministry.

    #38826
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    Never let a crisis go to waste as they say. Everyone with an axe to grind is likely in Ferguson trying to manipulate things towards their goals.

    #39027
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    L Tecolote
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    What these idiots don’t grasp, besides english, basic math and logic, is that while Ferguson may have been slow in making corrections, they were happening.
    But this murderous attack upon officers isn’t going to gain the effect they want ….

    Whirlibird, you’re right, but I suspect that it’s deeper than simple idiocy — not that the Public Fool System is prepared to produce much else — but such “communities,” of which there are many (and not always minorities in the majority), have lots of people who have already become tolerant of a fairly high level of minor crime (their own, their friends’, or their relatives’), are ready to say and believe the worst about any form of LE, and are subsidized enough to live without working, who therefore have both time and inclination to turn out and scream for the cameras. It’s the only form of “R E S P E C T” from the outside world they’ll ever get, and they know it (since they have so little reason to respect themselves.) They are primed for “community organizers.”

    The people behind all this want to reach the point where shooting the perpetrator is not allowed by LE for any reason.

    74, productive people are harder to rule than those dependent on handouts. The people behind all this want to reach the point where all of the time and energy the remaining productive might be able to devote to defeating “the people behind all this,” is absorbed in guarding their own property, family and selves, either from the perps, or if/when successful, from the perp-advocates — all the easier to subjugate them.
    See: Synthesizing Tyranny, by Samuel Francis for a more detailed explanation of the puppeteering.

    Ferguson is out of control , but in a way , it echo’s the building anger at the escalating abuse of power by LE’s in the country in general . Like was said in another thread , LE’s are the real ones out of control . The biggest resentment coming from the people is the fact that almost none of the “bad apples ” see’s a day of maximum security prison like you and I would get .

    Tolik, you have a point, but it’s a minor one, in this Ferguson incident. Are there bad cops? Yeah … a few: it’s a human endeavor, therefore subject to human failings. Such as there are should be dismissed and/or punished.
    But most cops are decent people, and the nature of their work doesn’t allow them to treat stops, searches, and arrests as opportunities for debate or social fisticuffs, especially in high-crime areas and times. Reasonable (and innocent) people can usually survive the minor indignity and lost time, by displaying just a little of the respect and politeness they claim to want, or avoid it all by refraining from misbehavior, however “socially understood” they may believe it to be.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #39028
    Tolik
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    Here is another problem , most dont understand the law they are attempting to enforce , especially the law of the land , the US Constitution and THEIR limitations . It has been ruled on by Federal courts that you can video the cops , why has that not been explained at the department level , also the 5th amendment , no you dont have to talk to them or answer questions , the 5th is active at all times . I could go on but they dont understand the law well enough in a lot of circumstances . Also , what ……….no rubuttle at the shooting of innocent Americans by militarized door kickers ? Because its true , it happens way too regularly . Yes most of the street cops are probably decent guys , then there are entire departments like LAPD and NYPD that are all rotten to the core .

    #39030
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    what ……….no rubuttle at the shooting of innocent Americans by militarized door kickers ?

    Yes, such gross miscarriages of justice occur. But you’ll read about most of them on the outraged alternative (“conservative?”) websites. Any such, of course, is too many, But how many? In what timespan? Contrast that with the rising level of daily rape, robbery, and murder in most large cities, most of which you won’t hear about, except long after the fact, as gross statistics. This forum, if I understand it correctly, is about realizing what is coming at us at what looks to be more like an impending volcanic eruption, than a growing glacier.

    Yes most of the street cops are probably decent guys , then there are entire departments like LAPD and NYPD that are all rotten to the core .

    I doubt that those departments are “all rotten to the core.” People go into that line of work for a variety of reasons, but usually for honorable reasons: It suits their physical/mental talents, it pays okay, and most of the laws are (currently) still worth enforcing.

    Still, if I had to live in El Lay or Noo Yawk, I’d be freakin’ and peakin’, since the governments in those jurisdictions are a reflection of their socialist/metrosexual/dependent populations, perfectly willing to sacrifice uncounted productive and self-supplied people, “for the good of society.” A little too close to cannibalism for me. When police departments are bad, look to those who hire, train, assign, and supervise them.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #39034
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    Communists are indeed in Ferguson. I was shocked to find out that a ton of the protest signs supplied to Michael Brown had a link posted on them. It was a straight up, pure communist website. Forwaard, Komrade.

    I will attempt to find the story.

    EDIT:

    Well, I couldn’t find the picture of the hands up don’t shoot signs with the commie website on them, but there are plenty of articles to look up. The blaze.com has a pretty good one showing the commie agitators trying to get a commie revolution going.

    #39038
    Malgus
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    But most cops are decent people, and the nature of their work doesn’t allow them to treat stops, searches, and arrests as opportunities for debate or social fisticuffs… L’Teco

    You don’t know that.

    The first point – that they are “decent people” – is simply an opinion based on wishful thinking. Projecting your own values and ethics onto another group.

    In point of fact, power corrupts. Always. And the power of our police in the US is considerable. Tolik has a point re: when cops – for sake of argument, the ‘bad’ ones – do heinous things and wipe their hindquarters with the supreme law of the land because they’re on a power trip or completely corrupt, it is a very, very rare thing for them to see the inside of a jail cell. Most times, such things are “settled” out of court or the goon in question “resigns” or moves on.

    Which breeds resentment. Two sets of rules. One for us peon ‘mundanes’ and the other for the elites and their enforcers.

    There are “bad” cops. How many? Don’t know. No way to quantify that since they are rarely punished or held accountable. But for the “good” ones to do nothing about the bad ones – since the good ones are the alleged “majority” – makes them at best oblivious and at worst complicit.

    Perhaps the cops should get more into ‘social debate’ when it is possible. Not every situation is a shoot/no shoot situation. Loud noise complaint? Once the doosh has turned his music down, hang around and have a nice get-to-know-you chat with the guy… show him you’re human. Talk to him about what bothers him the most, what he’s afraid of most. Become part of the community again.

    WE didn’t start this “us vs. them” mentality thing. THEY did. And they’re the ones who maintain it.

    And the whole Ferg shooting thing doesn’t surprise me. Should it have happened? Nope. And I cannot condone it. But I can understand it, even predict it. And the accuracy of the rounds fired doesn’t pass the smell test. Street level diversities don’t have Improbable Aiming Skills…

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImprobableAimingSkills

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #39039
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    As of a few days ago, I have changed my stance regarding the LEO – FSA distaste I have had in the past. My thoughts went from less “LEO’s suck” to more “LEO’s need PR work and community interactivity training.” THe reason for this change is because I think I have stumbled onto one of the main reasons that not only do the general population dislike LEO’s as of late, but also why LEO’s dislike the general population:

    Follow me here and see if this makes sense:

    When I was a kid, I remember (vaguely since it WAS a rough night) having a DPS officer in Texas stop and check on me when I was sleeping off a few drinks at a rest area. I was out drinking and then realized that I was obviously drunk once the last drink kicked in, so I stopped to sleep it off – not trashed, just too much to drink to be safe. Basically, the 20 minutes from last drink to BAC increase thing got me so I was probably under the limit when I left, but the last drink settled in and I didn’t want to risk it on the windy roads I was on. The DPS officer made a call, got another officer out there and they drove me home. They thanked me for realizing that I was too drunk to drive and for having pulled over rather than risk it. All was fine. Now I would have been charged with DUI and punished for stopping. This was actually the last “good” interaction with LEO’s that I can remember…..

    Fast forward a couple of years: I had someone break into my vehicle and steal my CB, radio, gym bag and some college text books. The LEO informed me that I should have thought about this sort of thing before I bought a Jeep, didn’t take a report and then cited me for a cracked windshield.

    Go another couple of years: My house was broken into and we made a report. During this report we got a lecture about not having more secure doors and windows in our military housing unit. We also were told that they don’t look into any of this sort of stuff because “you people” (referring to military) have too many things like this happen. I saw someone riding my bike that was stolen and called the cops to get it back for me. We stood out in front of the kid’s house and waited (because we followed him home so we could get a cop over to return my property). The cop showed up, went to the door, talked to the kid and the kid’s parents then came back to talk to us. He said that the kid did have the bike, the numbers on the bike matched the receipt and registration we had for it, but he was not going to seize it to return to us. No explanation. Just a “contact your attorney.” This was the same response when we saw someone wearing my wife’s leather coat and we called the cops. They followed the person to their home and verified that they had a whole slew of our stolen property. He did get my watch collection and a couple pieces of jewelry back, but told us that he was not going to do anything else about the rest. We had to contact our “attorney.”

    Go a few more years and add all sorts of trumped up traffic tickets, harassment, lectures for being a victim of crime, etc…. I lost faith.

    Now we see cops that look and act more like an occupying force than those nice DPS officers that drove me home for being responsible and sleeping off a couple drinks. The fact that most LEO’s attitude toward civilians has become more abrupt and less helpful, uniform changes to look more military, less involvement with the population on a daily basis, and the constant bombardment of videos that show cops being jackasses has really changed public opinion. I don’t know if these things can be fixed, but people I talk to seem to feel the same way. Cops are no longer our friends, but more authoritarian figures that don’t help the population. They only punish people through citations and lectures. It is sad when people I know from NYC, LA, Dallas, Seattle, and other large cities say that the last thing you ever want to do is meet a cop’s gaze or talk to a cop. It will only end badly no matter what is really going on……

    I can tell you that any cops I have run into during classes, at functions, etc., all tend to have a weird chip on their shoulder where they constantly act like they are judging you. It is evident even before you know their profession. Most times I can spot a cop quite easily and quickly in a crowd due to this perceived superiority complex they radiate. This means that there is a reverse attitude from LEO’s.

    LEO’s tend to deal with people at their worst. People fighting, on drugs, being bad, etc….. They must be getting burned out, but add the lack of support from their community? I bet they feel completely disrespected and “unloved.” This is how I felt while on Active Duty. We got VERY little pay, dealt with people telling us that we sucked, and everyone was out to take advantage of my young family. If it is even close to that for a cop, I can see the attitude to some degree…… Although while on AD, we were forced to be nice, polite, and not take our frustrations out on others. I don’t see that same enforcement with regard to the LE community.

    Again, I think it was due to changes in policy/training/uniforms/methods that swayed public perception as well as how they interact within their communities than anything else. Hopefully, the cops out there doing their job are decent PEOPLE and not anything close to how they come across now a days. Maybe if they were forced to “help” people rather than “punish” people in their dealings? I don’t have the answer, but I do think that I am on to something regarding why the trust in LEO is at an all time low.

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    #39044
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    sledjockey makes very good points about police becoming detached from the communities they serve. Back in the 60’s when I was a teeny bopper and my older brother was 14 or so, he and his buddies spray painted something on the large cement sign at the entrance to a park in our neighborhood. The cop figured out who did it and came to our house. My brother wasn’t home but he didn’t need to speak to my brother. He simply told my parents what had happened and that he expected my brother and his buddies to get down there and clean the paint off the cement pronto. He knew my parents would make sure the boys did as he said and that it would never happen again. The cop wasn’t a friend of my parents but he knew the neighborhood well enough to know that he could handle it in this manner. He most likely knew that my brother would have preferred facing a judge over facing my mother’s tears over him having shamed the family in that manner. These days there is no question but that my brother would have been arrested, and in many jurisdictions the arrest would have involved a SWAT team.

    The flip side to the above is that whereas my mother was beside herself with shame over the family being publicly humiliated by my brother’s actions, these days the cop is most likely going to be faced with parents saying their precious angel wouldn’t have done such a thing, and then they’d lawyer up. Enough instances of parents refusing to parent, and many cops are going to stop trying. Just arrest the kid and let the courts handle it. Back then all that mattered to my parents was that he did it. Right vs wrong. Today, far too many parents would be looking for the technicality or extenuating circumstance to get their kid off the hook. My screwed up nephew that I have agonized over is the product of a two lawyer household that made sure he was never held to account for anything.

    Do not construe my comments to mean that society brought this new police treating the public as the enemy mentality on ourselves.What I am saying is that the general public owns a piece of the change. We didn’t get from where we were in the example I used from the 60’s to the militarized police approach we have now over night, but there were changes on both sides of the equation along the way. Not 50/50 by a long shot. I think the police own the larger share but they don’t own 100% of it.

    Admittedly I have had very few encounters with police myself. In only one instance did the cop overstep his bounds but I understood why he was doing what he did and politely just went along with the charade. I knew he was trying to act in the larger community interest, though it would have been nice is he were quicker on the uptake sizing up the situation. Back when I still had Massachusetts license plates I was headed to the dump here in Vermont one Saturday morning. As I was coming down the mountain on a steep windy road that you typically ride your brakes on to not get going too fast, the Sheriff’s Dept patrol car passes me coming up the mountain. I instinctively look at my speed to confirm I’m not going too fast but then I see him pull into a driveway to turn around. I think he’s going to pull me over and sure enough the lights go on. I give him my license and registration and he asks me what I’m doing in town today. I tell him I own a place on such a such a road on the other side of the mountain. He then asks me if the address on my license is current. I say yes, that’s my primary home, this is a 2nd home I have here. He asks me what street # the house is here and I tell him the # and then describe the house and its exact location, knowing he’ll know which one it is because everyone knows my place. I knew he only asked the question looking for me to hesitate to signal him that I was lying. I also knew the only reason he stopped me was because I had MA plates and he wanted to check me out in case I was a drug dealer. He just wasn’t the brightest bulb so as to quickly assess that I was way too old, much too white, and not coming from Holyoke (Puerto Ricans) or Springfield (Blacks) that comprise most of the local drug trade, and I was driving a low end pickup truck to boot which is absolutely not the style in Holyoke or Springfield. Then he tries to trip me up one more time by asking where I was headed, as if the garbage in the back of the truck and the broken bird bath wasn’t enough of a clue. I tell him “the dump” and then he finally realizes he needs an out for why he stopped me and he tells me I need to slow down coming down the mountain. Perhaps he figured out quickly that I wasn’t a drug dealer but I confused him anyway by not fitting the stereotype for a 2nd home owner either. They typically have higher end vehicles than I was driving and usually they don’t bring their own trash to the dump. Though I am sure there was not a legal basis for stopping me, I was polite and didn’t escalate the encounter and so he was polite in turn and didn’t escalate the encounter. Sadly he died of cancer at 30 something years old a few months ago. Before he died there was a community fund raiser event for his benefit which I took to mean he was well respected in the community.

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