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  • #35324
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    Whirly you need to explain yourself making references to the BDM as to light for “modern ammo”. The maximum pressure for 9mm is the same now as it has always been, 35,001psi. When you buy a box of 9mm ammo it doesn’t say,”for moden guns only”, and after all they only quit making them in 1998. I have no fear the BDM will handle +p loads as well. In terms of weight a BDM is a heavy gun compared to the poly pistols of current mfg. so I can’t see why you bring that up.

    Roadracer, really I think all you have to say is, this is a gun. Then let the debate begin.

    #35330
    Whirlibird
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    I loosened mine up within 6000 rounds of mostly standard pressure ammo, with regular spring changes. Modern defensive ammo, +P & +P+ are harder on guns.

    Unlike some other steel frame designs, and much like the BHP, it is thinner than many competitors.
    That’s why it tucks away and carries so nicely.
    Its also why it doesn’t hold up as long, just like the BHP.

    The poly guns hold up differently, the stresses are distributed differently.

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    Whirly, No offence intended but your opinions and experiences are not universally excepted.

    #35336
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    The sig p228 is a nice all round gun. Whereas the p226 seemed just a little long. Although modifying the front end for a rail is ugly. The quest of shooting +p or +p+ seems almost irrelevant. I only see a box occasionally and its more expensive. The p228 and p229 are pretty much the same gun and a sig is a sig is a sig. lol

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    Brulen now days +p & +p+ don’t mean to much. Before reliable hollow points were developed it was the method used to make fmj’s work better. Like most arguments about guns many opinions are based on less then reliable sources. An internet search on BHP brings ample information on wide spread military use, metallurgy and just about anything anyone needs to know about a gun. Most current production guns including Glocks use the BHPP linkless design. One notable gun writer made unsubstantiated comments in 2004 about BHP that are still passed for facts.

    A search on Browning BDM brings up many user statements to the effect of 35,000 rounds through guns with no problems.

    #35351
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    Can’t say I know much about +P or whatever, but I like this list! My PPS didn’t make the list but that’s okay, because I love it and it works well for me. I can’t have many of these guns given that I live in Nazi York though.

    #35355
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>WhiteKnight wrote:</div>Can’t say I know much about +P or whatever, but I like this list! My PPS didn’t make the list but that’s okay, because I love it and it works well for me. I can’t have many of these guns given that I live in Nazi York though.

    Fascist Sheldon Silver can have No Gun. Feel better now. He will be forced to resign his speaker position and hopefully his seat as well. There are tens of thousands of guns on the list registered all over the state. Ny has entered the Dark Age because of people like him.

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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>74 wrote:</div>Whirly, No offence intended but your opinions and experiences are not universally excepted.

    But most people would agree that higher capacity is the mark of a better gun and many guns though perfectly good otherwise wouldn’t make the list because of it. The PPK for instance.

    #35372
    Whirlibird
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>74 wrote:</div>Whirly, No offence intended but your opinions and experiences are not universally excepted.

    They dont have to be, just my opinions and experiences, use the information as you will. Dismiss it, take it as gospel, doesn’t matter to me, just trying to put forth as much as possible so everyone here can make an informed decision.

    And no offense taken, I have bad luck when it comes to guns, its why I went into gunsmithing, I kapt getting the lemons or the ones that broke quickly.

    As to +P and +P+, they came about to increase effectiveness of certain rounds. Notably the 9mm.

    Years ago, departments like the Illinois State Police noted a general lack of oomph with the JHP loads they were using, the bullets rarely expanded and multiple ahota were the rule not the exception in OIS.

    Some bright boys noted that the .357 mag used a similar bullet and weight at a much higher velocity and it was much more effective.

    The velocity and pressures (hence the +P designation) were bumped up, above normal pressures, the +P+ designated ammo was originally LE only ammo and wasn’t sold or delivered without a signed waiver from the department absolving the ammo maker from liability for the increased wear and breakage on the firearms.

    With the changes in guns, the ability to handle greater quantities of the higher pressure ammo, the higher pressure ammo has been more accessible.

    The higher velocity of the 9mm +P and +P+ ammo means the bullets expand more reliably. The Federal 9BP load has long been a standard velocity top load. Accurate and highly feed reliable, if anything is going to work in the gun and still be decently reliable, this is the load.

    However by changing to the +P+ 9BPLE, LE only loading, with the same bullet but some 200+ fps faster, the effectiveness is substantially increased. But so is wear and tear.

    The BHP was never designed to handle +P and +P+ ammo, it didn’t exist when the gun was designed. The later MkII and MkIII versions are better but still not up for a steady diet of the higher pressure ammo.
    Back in the 90’s when the .40 BHP came out, it was converted to 9mm by several smiths and one could finally have a BHP that could handle a steady diet of high pressure ammo.

    Bill Laughridge still does this conversion, its well worth the money.

    #35373
    Whirlibird
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Brulen wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>74 wrote:</div>Whirly, No offence intended but your opinions and experiences are not universally excepted.

    But most people would agree that higher capacity is the mark of a better gun and many guns though perfectly good otherwise wouldn’t make the list because of it. The PPK for instance.

    Depends on who you talk to.
    Capacity can be nice, but compare a Sig 210 to a modern wonder nine and the differences are apparent. Some of th 210s out there are older than the shooters and are still like new despite thousands of rounds. Capacity can’t make up for a lack of quality.

    The PPk didn’t make the list because its a 9mmKurtz , aka the .380 ACP. Not a standard 9x19mm.

    #35385
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    There’s a scale in 9mm.
    9mm kurz ……. 357 Sig. Almost like a family. short fat thin long tall. Take your pick. I’d love to have a Stechkin or a Glock18 lol. Sig 357 is like a +++P.
    9mm has the widest range of any caliber handgun. In my humble …..

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