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  • #36738
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    This is a very interesting article, Whirlibird you would like this one! My opinion is it will happen with a false flag event which can be a war. The last part I found to be on point where he says it is going to happen(Collapse) but he thinks it will be more years ahead.

    The Case Against Economic Collapse

    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/the-case-against-imminent-economic-collapse-they-can-keep-bailing-things-out-for-several-more-years-without-fear-of-collapse_02162015

    #36742
    Whirlibird
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    Definitely a good read.

    Takes the wind out of some sails.

    #36743
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    Yes this may take more the one year to collapse, all the printing of money everywhere, now it is the Euro.

    #36744
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    If anyone had the ability to control the economy we wouldn’t be in the situation we are today. So maybe they can float things for a while, maybe they can’t. The way all accidents happen is when a series of conditions come together at the same time to cause the mishap. No one can control all of the variables in play, and I doubt anyone knows what the consequences of each event will cause. Additionally we don’t know what certain world leaders have planned as intentional events. So I can hardly place confidence in one article predicting much of anything.

    #36749
    Whirlibird
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    Its not a matter of one prediction over another.
    Its historical.

    Look at pretty much every economic “collapse”, from zimbabwe, to South Africa (current), Weimar Republic Germany, Argentina, Greece and more.
    None of them collapsed overnight, some have been collapsing for decades.
    Nobody wins with a collapse, that’s why those that can effect what happens fight so hard to prevent it.

    Greenspan and the PPT (plunge protection team) and others do what they can, not to falsely bolster the economy but to prevent those panic situations that could do actual damage.

    Nobody gains from a collapse, nobody profits.
    “But they get to impose martial law”, look at how much that costs. Men, materials, none of its free, and when you’re dealing with a reluctant public at best, its going nowhere but south.

    This mysterious “they” that everyone talks of, those in charge behind the scenes like the Wizard, they want you to keep your job, to keep paying your mortgage, buying new cars and dvd players. Thats how they make money.

    Throwing people in some ‘FEMA’ camp doesn’t profit either.

    What profits and how?
    Adjusting interest rates so people have consumer confidence and purchase homes, cars, take out loans, buy more stuff.
    Offering tax breaks to companies so they put forth dealer incentives to buy things, generating more tax revenue.

    The tin foil hat brigade are missing what really happens every day and why a collaose is the last thing anyone, especially those in power want.

    #36750
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    The people or oligarchy in positions of power in the US may not want a collapse but its here anyways. If it wasn’t already an accepted fact this shtf group and dozens like it wouldn’t exist. The real tin foil brigade are the crazies who voted for Obama in Two separate elections. As long as the money is flowing in predictable ways to the party in power people want to believe the economy is running smoothly. The evidence shows exactly the opposite. We have a government out of control and a bureacracy spending trillions of dollars created out of thin air to cover it up. There is no amount of tax revenue that will cover future debts. In historical terms the US has already collapsed and we’re living in a fantasy world.

    #36751
    Whirlibird
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    No I’d say this group and others exist because excrement happens, not just because of some possible collapse real or imagined.

    I won’t argue the out of control .gov and bureaucracy, but there’s little I can do about thay myself.

    I think we are looking at collapse in different lights.

    Give me a minute……

    Collapse

    #36758
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    Whirly,
    Historically there are many more situations then the few you are referring. Many scenarios include wars.

    The big “they” are all the financial leaders of the central banks. And they are not controlling the economy. They are not controlling Greece, or the decline of the Euro. What they want doesn’t seam to matter much.

    #36759
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    This is an example of failure as well. The time line is a bit different then slow decline.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Icelandic_financial_crisis

    The second article is a timline documenting the mismanagementof the country by socialist political powers and the end result of financial collapse.

    http://grapevine.is/mag/articles/2013/10/09/total-banking-collapse-a-timeline/

    #36761
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    This article explains how and why the collapse occured. The parallels to other countries is easy to see. Iceland is only saved from itself by loans that are currently strangling their economy, much like the situation in Greece and in reality the US.

    The Collapse And Beyond

    “Iceland is the only debt-ridden nation that has had an answer to the question: why did the banks fail? This impertinent question was answered quite thoroughly in a 2,600 page report published in April 2010 by the Special Investigative Commission (SIC) set up by Alþingi, the Icelandic Parliament.
    In clear, jargon-free language, the SIC report tells the story of failed economic policy in the decade or so before the collapse in 2008. The varying governments, which always included the Independence Party (in most governments since 1944), celebrated the growth of the banking sector which, like the UK banking sector, sucked talent from other sectors by offering salaries only banks could offer. In addition, the government added fuel to the booming economy with public spending.
    With low interest rates in international markets, the Icelandic banks behaved like drunkards at a free bar. The three largest banks concentrated their lending on the banks’ largest shareholders and their business partners, in many cases lending them, their employees and other clients money beyond the legal limits to buy shares in the banks, thereby artificially inflating their value.”

    http://grapevine.is/mag/articles/2013/10/04/the-collapse-and-beyond/

    #36763
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>74 wrote:</div>Whirly,<br>
    Historically there are many more situations then the few you are referring. Many scenarios include wars.

    The big “they” are all the financial leaders of the central banks. And they are not controlling the economy. They are not controlling Greece, or the decline of the Euro. What they want doesn’t seam to matter much.

    I don’t look at the wars as an economic collapse, that’s the side effect of the war. I chose tjose because they weren’t caused by war.

    One could look at Rhodesia and South Africa during the bush wars and note that even during the embargo years they were flourishing in many ways, when forced to bow to world demands, then the economic collapse started.

    Whenever a socialist .gov takes over, the ecomomy will collapse, Iceland, Greece, Russia, Cuba, zimbabwe, South Africa, all ended up with some form of commie .gov and spiraled down the drain. It may happen quickly or over decades, but it will happen.

    The problem with communism/socialism economically is you eventually run out of other peoples money.

    #36765
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    Right now the U. S. government tax revenue is covering the low interest and the government agencies but if interest go up then the fed will have to print paper dollars to cover the interest. How long can they hold on will see. I still think there why out is to create a war.

    #36766
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    When there is war and no money to support the war it causes economic hardship. Just look at the material shortages and rationing that occured during WW2 in the US and everywhere else.

    My main point is that there are uncontrolled and unknown variables that can’t be accounted for and that when conditions align for a mishap, the uncontrolled vaiable intetacts with all of the components causing a failure. The level of damage becomes a matter of pure luck as in any accident. You can experience a near miss or a total loss. The difference can be a fraction of a second or fraction of an inch in difference between the two outcomes.

    #36769
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    As an example: This is a known variable with unknown outcomes.

     “The Ayatollah Khomeini has been as clear as his predecessor in declaring his goal: ‘the annihilation and destruction’ of Israel. He is bent on acquiring the weapons needed to make good on the deadly promise.”

    #36771
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    It will be a war to mask the financial collapse before it is ready to collapse. The government knows the hardship coming are way but they will not tell the population.

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