December 28, 2014 at 10:01 pm #33055
Im now ready to buy a small home defense/urban shotgun in 12 ga . , I have a few sporting shotguns , but they are pretty much for birding / rabbits , etc. they are long weapons , meant for strictly outdoor use . I need suggestions about a decent one that is small , holds a bit of ammo , can fire slugs , and I’m not really willing to to pay more than $500- 600 tops , its a shotgun for petes sake .December 28, 2014 at 10:40 pm #33057
My question Tolik is what sights if any do you want to use. A ghost ring, maybe a red dot, or both. Do you wants rails for a light?December 28, 2014 at 11:02 pm #33058
8 rounds is the ticket for me. I have an old 500 and used a 870 a lot. I don’t see how you can go wrong.
Mossberg 500 12 Gauge Special Purpose Persuader Pump Action Shotgun 20″ Barrel 8 Rounds Synthetic Stock Blued Finish
Our Low Price:$335.14December 29, 2014 at 12:47 am #33065
Tolik, The Remington 870 and change the stock, cost of the total package is about $550, holds 6 and 1 so total 7.December 29, 2014 at 1:29 am #33075
I think a light would be handy , as for sights , probably a ghost ring . I picked up some exotic rounds for use outside , like the dragons breath , ” pit bull “a box of 5 flachett . I dont feel like burning my own house down lol . Forgot to mention the pit bull the first time , they are a slug , followed by 6-8 00 buck .December 29, 2014 at 2:12 am #33076
The mossy 590 is 9 shot with a top rail.December 29, 2014 at 4:16 am #33079
The price is pretty darn good , just looked at the suggestions on Bud’s .December 29, 2014 at 7:20 am #33084
Tolik, A hacksaw can do wonders in an emergency. But thats only a suggestion. If you want some real intimidation you should try some flamethroder shells. Un rucking believable. If you can find them. lolDecember 29, 2014 at 8:17 am #33086
Most of the “specialty rounds” are junk.
Stick to conventional buck and slugbarrel
As to what shotgun to get, go hit your local gun shop or pawn shop.
Go take a good look at a used Mossy/Reminton/Winchester/Ithaca and have the barrel cut back and the bead reinstalled.
You’ll likely have well under $300 into it, if it gets put into the evidence locker you’re not hurting and if it gets dropped, beat up or covered in muck you don’t care as much.
Don’t try to make a rifle out of it, simple is best.December 29, 2014 at 12:10 pm #33089
If you decide to shorten one of your own guns don’t cut the barrel to less then 18″. I think cheaper than dirt has a lower price on their guns right now if you go new. Whirly’s suggestion is the cheapest route as long as they don’t ding you on the gunsmithing labor.December 29, 2014 at 2:03 pm #33092
In Ny even sparklers are banned. People used to use poppers to scare off the animal life. I haven’t seen any of those in years. You get the incompetent govt you pay for here.December 29, 2014 at 3:12 pm #33095
74: Anything less than 18″ on a shotgun is considered a SBS and needs paperwork. 16″ is the magic number for a rifle. Also, you can’t have a shotgun less than 26″ total length so keep that in mind as well.
You have some good suggestions here so I will only toss some suggestions in about optics and leave you with some things I have run into with certain models:
Personally I like the Vortex Strikefire 2 if you are after a dot sight. Other than that, I am partial to my KSG (outside your budget) and my old Mossberg 500 with pistol grip, 18.5″ barrel, and heat shield. It is simple, light weight, with practice you can shoot skeet with it (my son and I do at about a 3/5 success rate most days), and it is really easy to carry. Once empty you can just drop it/sling it and go with your side arm if things get that bad. They are also easy/quick to reload versus many other models like my KSG. I just saw one like mine without heat shield at the used section of Cabela’s for around $350/$400 the other day.
Here are a couple models I have had problems with personally (and can think of off the top of my head):
Escorts – pretty much any one I have ever touched. Don’t know if it is just my luck or what, but I have had nothing but problems in the field with them. I just have never found one that didn’t break on me while hunting.
Police Remingtons: For whatever reason they take a “special” touch to operate. It was almost like I had to go slower when ejecting the shell than when I racked a fresh one or it jammed. I just couldn’t get the “feel” for it versus all other pump shotguns I have used. Probably a special technique that this user couldn’t get down.
Weatherby’s: They look nice, but the feel just wasn’t there. The angle on the stock seemed a bit off (like the Benelli) where you had to put the butt higher on my shoulder to get a good bead down the barrel. Like my Benelli I use for waterfowl, it can be overcome with slight modifcation to position on your shoulder. Just something to be aware of. The operation of the firearm was fine, however.
Benelli: See above….. The angle on the stock is just a bit off so you have to modify things to get the same bead on whatever you are shooting that you have with other guns. Not a biggie, but something to be aware of.
Older, used: Awesomeness….. IF you get one that wasn’t beat up. I had a Model 12 growing up that I loved and it worked great -> as long as you lubed up the action after every 6-8 shots. Otherwise it wouldn’t cycle correctly. It was just old and needed some gunsmithing love that I was too cheap to pay for. Just be aware that things like that are common with older guns, which makes them all the more awesome in their own right. Also had issues with a few older Ithacas and Brownings, but they were “well loved” in their day and needed work. Just be careful of used to make sure you don’t get one that is almost worn out.
Again, I am sure that there are some total gems in that group I just tossed out. Other than the Escorts, I would say that nothing that would be a “show stopper” for any shotgun. It would just take some practice with certain makes/models. Again, this is just based off my experiences which are mostly hunting related.
Someone you might want to hit up is Flatlander. He has messed around with a lot of tactical shotguns in different situations (other than hunting situations).
http://ageofdecadence.comDecember 29, 2014 at 3:19 pm #33098
Thanks, my bad. Edited for correct lenght. We don’t need any Randy Weaver repeats.December 29, 2014 at 4:07 pm #33103
I figured you just fat fingered or weren’t paying attention as you typed. All good. Not like I haven’t done my fair share of the same almost daily in some form or another.
http://ageofdecadence.comDecember 29, 2014 at 4:20 pm #33105
I have a Remington 870, nothing special. But, that’s what I like. I got it for $400 brand new and it is super solid. 6+1 for 3″ shells and I can squeeze 7+1 with 2 3/4″ shells. It is super solid and never lets me down, is easy as can be to operate and maintain, and best of all looks scary as hell.
My father has a Mossberg 500. Same as the 870 but with one less shell capacity.
You really cannot go wrong with a Moss. 500 or a Rem. 870 regardless of variant. They all have plenty of aftermarket accessories, too.
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