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  • #8757
    Jay
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    The study conducted by Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University) lays out how little influence average Joe has and how elites run the country. Of course this is also how government in other countries work. Interesting to read.

    Testing Theories of American Politics:
    Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

    Defintion of oligarchy – a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.

    Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics – which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic Elite Domination, and two types of interest group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism – offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.

    A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. This paper reports on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.

    Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

    The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

    Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")

    #8774
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    When the 17th amendment was ratified in 1913 changing the way the US Senate was elected to a direct popular it set up the destruction of the political process.

    Prior to that date state legislatures appointed senators so senators reflected the wants of the whole state. The change in the process allowed population centers to control the elections.

    #8781
    elijah
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    I’d like to see this spread as widely as possible. It might shake up some people’s complacency.

    Bugs Bunny: "I speak softly, but I carry a big stick."
    Yosemite Sam: "Oh yeah? Well I speak LOUD! and I carry a BIGGER stick! and I use it, too!" BAM!

    #8783
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    1974t150v, 1912 was a bad year but 1913 changed America with the establishment of the Federal Reserve and then taxing our earning.

    #8785
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    Well I need to correct myself it was ratified in April 1913.

    Freedom it was a horrible year as you say.
    The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states adopted on February 3, 1913

    Look who was pushing for income tax………..
    The Socialist Labor Party advocated a graduated income tax in 1887.[8] The Populist Party “demand[ed] a graduated income tax” in its 1892 platform.[9] The Democratic Party, led by William Jennings Bryan, advocated the income tax law passed in 1894,[10] and proposed an income tax in its 1908 platform.[11]

    #8788
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    1974t150v, OK so 1913 was the real SHTF for the people. Men they had all of it plan out. I think they have many other plans that are still in the works that you and I do not know.

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    Freedom,
    Oh boy don’t they, why else would they keep after the Second.

    #8821
    Tolik
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    Its becoming a Soviet Socialist republik

    #8822
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    Tolik, They are trying. We will see if we the people let them. I personally don’t think so.

    #8892
    Tolik
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    THe thing about Socialism that both the left and the right dont seem to fully understand , is that socialism in itself is not unconstitutional , its totalitarian socialism that is unconstitutional .

    #8897
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    Tolik, Yes you are right. Socialism does have parts that would be a problem with the Constitution like the Government becoming the owner of the major Corp of the Country or part owner, like what they did with GM. With GM the Government became a share holder with the peoples money, the Government also did this with the banks too.

    #9150
    Jay
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    I’d like to see this spread as widely as possible. It might shake up some people’s complacency.

    I doubt it. People look for news and things that confirm their own opinions because it makes them feel good. Change is outright painful for most people thats why we have this sheeple situation.

    Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")

    #9155
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    The problem with fixing this change is it requires changing the Constitution again. The metro centers are not going to give up the power they have to tax the productive portions of the population. Eventually productive states will pull away from the Federal government and the Feds will not have the power to stop the disintegration. You can see the start of this already with states passing legislation nullifying federal law.

    A real parallel exists between what we are seeing now in the USA and the Roman Empire. A good read is The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History of Rome and the Barbarians; by Peter Heather
    Basically Rome was low on money and manpower and couldn’t react to hostile forces taking over large parts of Europe. Every geographical area low was lost revenues so they couldn’t recover. The Eastern Empire couldn’t or wouldn’t help.

    #9159
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    I only hope you are right and that Florida will be one of those States, if not I may have to move! Maybe Texas!

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