Tagged: South African advice
December 1, 2015 at 8:14 pm #45596December 1, 2015 at 8:54 pm #45599
How sad, but glad this feels like at least somewhat of a refuge in all the chaos. Just moments before coming here to check a few new posts that showed up in my email box, I received an email from a good friend of mine that couldn’t have come at a better time. I searched for the right place to post it here, with the hope that it would also be of help to others. I found what I thought was the perfect spot – the thread titled “Hope” in the “Religion and Faith” area. Ironically, no one has posted anything in the “Hope” thread in more than 1½ years. We need more than that.
Keep in mind what season we’re entering, and what that means in the end.December 1, 2015 at 8:56 pm #45600
“Ernst Roets skryf: THIS POST IS NOT FOR SENSITIVE READERS
(Deliberately written in English)
This is Willemien Potgieter. On this day, exactly five years ago, she, together with her father and mother were attacked on their farm near Lindley in the Free State. Attie Potgieter was stabbed 151 with a garden fork and other gardening equipment while his wife, Wilma and little Willemien had to witness. His body was left with the fork still in his throat. Thereafter, Willemien (2), who was standing next to his body, her little feet covered in her father’s blood, was picked up and carried to the storeroom. There she was shot in the head and thrown in a box. Wilna, having witnessed the murders on her husband and her little girl, was then dragged into the house and “executed” with a gunshot to the neck. I am sure that by that time, she was praying to be murdered as well.
On that day, immediately after the murders were committed, even before anyone had known, I remember participating in a debate about imperialism. I made the statement that it is senseless to discuss issues such as imperialism in other African countries, while we have much bigger problems to deal with, such as the senseless murders committed against our food providers. A representative of the ANCYL, now a member of parliament for the EFF, responded, saying that we should not be talking about farm murders. Instead, she said, we need to ask ourselves: What are they doing on those farms in the first place?
I remember seeing this picture on the newspaper two days later and how much pain and sorrow I felt simply by reading this story, even though I didn’t have children at the time. I remember attending the court proceedings of the people who were eventually found guilty of these attacks. I remember how they mocked the crowd of horrified family members from the back of the police van. But most importantly, I remember how the South African government, and the ruling ANC responded to the news. Both the Police and the ANC had lashed out against farm murders, stating that it had gone too far and that something had to be done to stop this scourge of violence.
Here we are today. Five years have passed, since then hundreds of farmers have been murdered – many of them tortured in the most inhumane ways imaginable. But from within the ranks of the South African government, absolutely nothing has been done.
That is why we cannot simply sit back and wait for the South African government to stop this scourge. They will not, because they don’t care. We don’t need to take the law into our own hands, but we do need to do more to look after our own safety and the safety of our communities. On the other hand, we need to do more to inform the international community about the reality of farm murders in South Africa. If we need to create international embarrassment for the South African government as a result of their no-care attitude, then so be it.
Willemien would have finished grade two by now. She would have been old enough to ride a bicycle on her own and to have sleepovers with her friends. In a normal country, she would have been old enough to play outside on her own. She probably would have had a baby brother or sister and I am convinced that she would have been filled with joy and excitement about the fact that Christmas is right around the corner.
But this was not to be. Perhaps we can still honor her memory by remembering her name, by looking after ourselves and by stepping up the fight to have farm murders declared and treated as a priority crime in South Africa.”
Attachments:You must be logged in to view attached files.December 1, 2015 at 9:05 pm #45602
Having forum members from South Africa led me to a point where I wanted to do something. So I stopped buying any product from South Africa.
Now I want to do more and welcome any and all suggestions.
Senseless wanton murder can only be stopped by becoming involved.
The ANC pendulum now is stuck in Hell!
RobinDecember 1, 2015 at 11:42 pm #45606
Leopard, I don’t know what to say. Such a beautiful little girl….. You would think the govt. would understand that killing off or scaring off the white farmers and letting the politically connected take them over isn’t going to automatically produce crops. Surely they must know what happened to Zimbabwe’s agricultural output. Surely they must understand how color-motivated actions have deteriorated the electrical and water infrastructure of the country.
So long as the current occupants of the White House are there, SA will get no media coverage other than the latest on Oscar Pistorius, nor will there be political pressure applied. I wish this weren’t true. SA was always in the news (and not in a positive way) during the apartheid days, and then the media and politicians sat in adoration of Mandela, but now Oscar Pistorius is the only thing the major media pays attention to.December 2, 2015 at 12:38 pm #45609
Leopard, now is the time to take the law into your collective hands.
Your police, those that actually want to do something have their hands tied by those in power giving these attacks their taciturn approval at a minimum.
Animals like this don’t need jail.
What they need isn’t fit for a public forum.
It’s probably time to let slip the dogs of war.
Relics of bush wars past, who have combatted this evil before.
Because you aren’t going to get anything from your .gov or the rest of the world.
You were abandoned in the early ’90’s to the whims of those in charge.
There are two choices, figh t and take the fight to them or surrender.
The fight will be bloody and messy, and only you can say if its worth it.
I know what I would do.December 5, 2015 at 9:30 pm #45747
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/africa-china-relationship-at-its-highest-level-ever-following-summit-zuma-20151205 The Johannesburg Summit of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation has taken the relationship between the two to its highest level ever,December 5, 2015 at 10:58 pm #45748
China comes to the rescue with buckets of gold! Is this what South African President Zuma and China have been planning? Fix the water problems (of course you may need to create the problem first!) Fix the electrical problems (see water problem!)
RobinDecember 6, 2015 at 3:56 am #45755
Yep, Zuma & his buddies will get very rich via kickbacks and one day the people of SA will wake up to the reality that China is in charge and has sucked away what wealth remains in SA.December 6, 2015 at 12:47 pm #45763
Government has informed education authorities that Mandarin will be taught in schools from January, amid claims of Chinese “imperialism” by Sadtu.
… the cultural exchange initiative begin at foundation level with children.December 6, 2015 at 1:03 pm #45764
“The roll-out of Mandarin will be incrementally implemented in schools as follows: Grades 4-9 and 10 will be implemented in January 2016, followed by grade 11 in 2017 and grade 12 in 2018,” said the circular, which bears the signature of the department’s acting director general Paddy Padayachee.
The two-page document closes off by appealing to its recipients to publicise its message: “You are kindly requested to bring the contents of circular S10 of 2015 to the attention of all provincial and district officials, and principals and teachers of both public and independent schools.”
In this question, incremental is an adjective that means increasing gradually by regular degrees or additions. If you are making incremental progress in math, you are moving slowly but steadily forward. Incremental describes regular, measurable movements that are usually small.
There is a story an old black African man told me a few years ago. He said a donkey came to a hut one stormy night and asked the owner if he could just put his head in the door to provide him with shelter from the rain. The owner said there is no space in his hut for the two of them but Yes, he could leave the door open for the night. The donkey worked this way into the hut over days and soon the owner got kicked out the door flying through the air. Landed on his but in big surprise.December 6, 2015 at 1:55 pm #45765
We’ve had it with Spanish here in the US and most didn’t (still don’t) see it coming. With the demographic change will come a permanent change in voting, thereby cementing the socialist changes that have happened here, and the functional destruction of the Constitution. We have ceased being a constitutional republic. It’s just a different route to the same end result.
South Africa gets it more directly because of the minority population that was relatively easy to overthrow and overcome, particularly with whole-world pressure. You went from a modern society, even acknowledging the social issues and problems, to a facade of an elected representative government that was populated by so-called communists at heart. I say “so-called” because the pure system of Marx has never existed, and never will. It, too, is another facade to allow for the installation of a dominant ruling party and the subjection of its subjects.
The Russians think they overcame “communism.” They never had it. Nor did the Chinese. The outer mask will change to meet the propagandist needs of the times, but the controlling, dominating spirit moves on. Marx and Engels called for the workers of the world to unite, and to destroy the social and political order by any means necessary. It’s all laid out in that hidden-in-plain-sight 3/4 of one page at the end of the Communist Manifesto. Communism, as carefully described in the previous three chapters, was never the true aim – that tiny 4th chapter riddles that theory with more bullet holes than Bonnie and Clyde. It’s all about getting power and gain by the select few – “They have a world to win.” The words communism, bourgeois, proletariat? All part of the facade – looking like one thing, but really covering quite another. And we’ve gotten to a point now in history where two seemingly contradictory things are happening: political groups and leaders are “coming out” more and more and proclaiming their “socialism” (Bernie Sanders in our country – actually running for the top job in the nation!), and/or their “communism.” Yet at the same time, if anyone brings up the word “communism” in an oppositional manner, they are jeered, derided, ridiculed off the stage as tin-foil-hat-wearing nut cases, because, after all, everyone knows communism is a thing now relegated to the history books (the Soviet Union is no longer, the Berlin wall is gone, and China has adopted capitalist practices, don’tchaknow.
MUCH study of the final words of the Manifesto can provide correspondingly much insight:
In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.
In all these movements, they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.
Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries.
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
I ache inside for my own country, but I ache also for what’s happening in South Africa. Come here, if you can, but just know we’re on course for the same end point, just perhaps a little further out, and coming from a different direction. In the end, if they win (and they’re certainly on track), we’ll all be meeting at the same point – a great “hajj” that we didn’t even know we were on. At the meeting point will (figuratively) be a mysterious yet fully visible structure that all will simultaneously worship yet not understand. But inside, they cannot go – that is reserved for those “in charge.”
2¢December 6, 2015 at 7:03 pm #45774
Leopard, though there is no doubt but that the Chinese will do whatever is their interest in SA rather than what is in the interest of the SA people, the Chinese moving in could be a positive for the whites. I have always read that the Chinese do not think highly of black people and that they favor light skin even amongst themselves. I have a Chinese sister-in-law who said she is not pretty by Chinese standards on account she tans too easily and too darkly. She was always in awe of my daughter who is as white as a person could be. Regardless of their personal preferences, the Chinese are going to want to hire the best and brightest and that could be a boost to whites in SA.December 6, 2015 at 8:17 pm #45775
Many years ago I can remember our History teacher telling us, we need to be most careful for the Chinese communist way of thinking. Mountainbiker, you really got me thinking. If I could choose, whom to live amongst. Black or Chinese…. Who to rule over your country? I am wondering now. Which nation on our earth do you think harbours the most people that do the cruellest things to humans? Chopping up; blowing up. Either by burning a person with a tyre around his neck. Burning children to death with hot water or simply by a push of a button with a missile, maybe chemical substance in his food.
And if I would take my son and leave my country… Which country would be safe..and welcome us. Allow us to feel ‘at home’. Allow me to earn a living, work and provide for my child?December 7, 2015 at 12:10 am #45789
Leopard, while it isn’t all roses here (or is, if you count the thorns among the first-apparent beauty), you’d certainly find us a good bit behind what you’re experiencing there. But assuming it’s not feasible to get here and establish yourself professionally, MountainBiker brings up an interesting point. At least in China one can keep one’s head down, not make too many waves, and live out life. Some are even allowed to prosper. Whites in SA don’t have that option anymore. While it’s a heck of a no-win choice between the Chinese in charge and the blacks in charge (at least the ones that have taken the power), perhaps it would be at least safer (and more productive for educated, proficient SA whites) under the Chinese. Such a very sad situation to have to consider which is the “better” of two evils.
How very sad that the alleged philosophy of that now deceased great thinker, Rodney King, never caught on: “Can’t we all just get along?” (Note: Yes, I’m aware that the actual quote was simply, “Can we all get along?” And for those not in the US, don’t even worry about not understanding the irony – and sarcasm – of that statement. It would take too long to explain. It dates back to the Los Angeles riots of 1992.)
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