September 5, 2015 at 2:20 am #43521
Lots of folks like to complain about govt going too far on the regulatory front, and I generally agree with that sentiment but I now know of one that I heartily approve of…..airbags in vehicles. My daughter-in-law survived this head on collision with just a few broken bones, a collapsed lung, some bruising, and a couple cuts from shattered glass. She’d of never survived without the airbags. You can see in one photo that the hood of the car even came through the windshield. On a two lane highway, someone coming in the other direction suddenly came over into her lane and plowed into her. We don’t know why yet. The 4th photo, the maroon Crown Victoria is the car that hit her.
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Good to gear she’s going to be okay.
Fyi the links don’t work.September 5, 2015 at 4:06 am #43534
They open for me, though admittedly I really don’t know how to attach a photo. I can try again, but if it doesn’t work, the descriptive I’m using is “destroyed”. “Totaled” just connotes the damage exceeds the value and that seems to be an inadequate descriptor. It seems her car absorbed the force of the impact as the other car, though totaled, did not incur near as much damage.September 5, 2015 at 10:39 am #43535
Wow what a scary thing to happen, glad she is ok. My wife and I were just discussing those old steel dashboards the other day. I do wonder what cars would be like today without government regulations. Would competition and consumer demand bring us to the same point through inovations, or would cars go in a completely different direction?September 5, 2015 at 1:28 pm #43539
I suspect we’ve gone past the point of no return with government regulation. Maybe I’m naive, but I wonder what would happen with even just a small handful of huge civil (not criminal) law suits based on negligence on the parts of auto companies. When the bottom line would be hit over and over for companies not employing the most up to date safety equipment and standards, why wouldn’t that do the same thing as government regulation? If a company is truly slacking in standards, let ‘em get whacked, and have some heads roll when the shareholders aren’t happy with share prices, and turn out in force at the next shareholders’ meeting (where officers are voted on, along with their compensation).
To me, that beats endless government studies, companies paying off politicians to keep laws from being passed that would cost the companies more money to make the changes, etc. A few big law suits with huge awards could take far less time and hurt the companies as much or more than legislation – and then those we sent to Washington (or our own state capitols, or other nations’ capitols) don’t keep becoming even more emboldened, thinking they can control everything at all times. Whether through legislation or threat of severe financial penalty, the ball doesn’t start rolling until someone is unfortunately killed or injured initially anyway, and I have to wonder if in the long run the “fix” is more effective when it’s the people that companies are afraid of, not government.
As for your daughter-in-law MB, I’m just thankful she’s alive regardless of the motivation for good airbags. As for photos, you can always just upload them as files at the bottom of your post before you send it. And then only those on the Forum can see them anyway, in case you’d prefer not going full-public. Just make sure you’ve reduced the size of the photo to stay within the 1.96 MB file size noted in the attachment area below the message window. (The problem with your photos appears to be that they’re stored on Google, and of course we don’t have a way of getting into your private photos there. When the link is clicked, Google doesn’t recognize the entity trying to access the photos, and just denies entry. You can keep copies on your hard drive just long enough to upload them to the SHTF Forum, and they will show up as an attachment as per the above comments.)
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."September 5, 2015 at 1:33 pm #43664
Should be all better / easier once we moved to the new system.
Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")September 5, 2015 at 11:59 pm #43672
Thanks GS, Maybe I got it right this time. I can roughly calculate a mortgage payment in my head but technology eludes me. Fortunately I have my own IT Dept in the form of my son the software engineer and computer geek. Here’s one of the photos so you can see the end result would have been very different without seatbelts and airbags
Attachments:You must be logged in to view attached files.September 6, 2015 at 12:13 am #43674
On 74’s question as to whether airbags would have been added without govt.mandates, I don’t know. It seems the auto industry is usually kicking and screaming and buying Congressman to delay implementation of mandates all the time. Govt does go way overboard on most regulatory fronts, but we’re glad they did this one. If her head was hurtling into the windshield at the same time the hood of the car was coming through the windshield, she would have died. If windshields weren’t made of safety glass she’d of been hit with a lot more glass than she was. The hospital had to vacuum glass out of her hair and she had glass in her clothes.September 6, 2015 at 3:55 am #43675
Jesus H Roosevelt Christ …. When the shtf look out below.September 6, 2015 at 11:47 am #43676
I agree , the automakers are scum , they would do nothing without law suits ( which helps motivate regulation if public enough ) . Glad she made it !!!!!!!!
I think the real problem is there are TOO MANY cars . We have no infrastructure in this country because of corruption . That and the fact that we are dependent on trucking should tell us something isnt right . Would not be surprised to find out that if there were three cars to every man , woman , and child in this country . How many cars do we really need ? Get the trains moving again for both passenger and freight . Another scary thought , that is a serious problem , is cell phone use ……………..that needs to be dealt with , but our population wouldnt want to have to put down their 2nd brain for even a minute .September 6, 2015 at 1:50 pm #43677
Tolik, in the Northeast at least Amtrak continues to expand passenger service but most of us can’t get to a train station except by driving there. Relative to driving yourself it is somewhat pricey and takes longer too. That said, I love trains, and taking one to NYC is a relaxing trip vs dealing with the traffic once in the metro area, and finding a place to park. A big part of the problem though is being able to get where you want to go. In a couple weeks I am going to Oyster Bay which is close in to the city on the north shore of Long Island. I’d have to take Amtrak into the city, then catch a LIRR train to Oyster Bay and then catch a cab to get to my hotel. In total it would be a very long (in hours) and expensive trip relative to just hopping in my truck and driving straight there. Cutting through the city to get to Long Island is nothing short of a nightmare for this guy that lives on a dirt road however, and then it doesn’t get much better once on the island given how densely packed it is close in to the city. When I did it last year I thought you couldn’t pay me enough to live there, and that part of Long Island is absolutely a “gold coast” area. Maybe I should try the train anyway…..
I think phones are a much bigger part of the problem than the # of cars. Despite it being illegal I still see people driving while on the phone all the time.
We still do not know why the other driver crossed into my daughter-in-law’s lane though. Phone? Distraction? My son hasn’t picked up the police report yet. He does know it was a taxi, so maybe getting a bit too aggressive looking for places to pass? Ironically enough the taxi was bringing the passenger to the very hospital that they all ended up in. Not sure if the passenger was supposed to be a visitor or patient.September 6, 2015 at 2:15 pm #43678
There are too many drivers that shouldn’t be on the road. Even when there were very few cars the accident rate was high. How the move away from rail service to trucks and cars has affected the population and habitat is an entirely different conversation.
As far as car companies being scum. All the innovation in car improvements have come from the car manufacturers not the government. Auto manufacturers have suffered from the propaganda of the liberal media just like all other profitable business. It was Ralf Nader that launched the campaign against the car companies after all. The major reason car companies resisted compliance was an effort to keep government regulation out of their business. Eventually over regulation is going to occur. Currently car companiesare are way out in front of safety regulations exceeding all requirements because of competition in the marketplace.September 6, 2015 at 2:48 pm #43679
That pic, looks like too many scenes I’ve been on.
Again, good to know she’s going to be fine.
Leaving the blame game to others.September 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm #43680
It’s obvious who is to blame for the accident, the other driver. Drivers cause all accidents.September 6, 2015 at 3:36 pm #43681
It’s obvious who is to blame for the accident, the other driver. Drivers cause all accidents.
Was actually referencing the auto makers, .gov, and other side discussions.
Without the police report, will not lay blame anywhere still.
Too many unanswered questions for that.
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