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  • #50851
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    Is Russia capable of hacking? Certainly. Are they actively trying to hack here, there, and everywhere? No doubt. Is anyone else – both foreign governments, our government, and non-government actors – hacking? Is the sky blue?

    So, the glaring WaPo headline reads, “Russian operation hacked a Vermont utility, showing risk to US electrical grid security, officials say,” and instantly all the libbies flare up, Americans in general start worrying more (or not), and few bother to read the story itself.

    But those who do, might happen to notice a few tiny, little, under-emphasized details, that could make all the difference in the world! The malicious code (malware) is “associated” with the Russians. Of course {choke!] NOBODY could ever copy and use such code – it MUST be for the exclusive use of the Russians. [sarc/OFF]

    And the code was discovered on a LAPTOP, and the laptop was NOT connected to the grid. And [sarc/BACK ON] the code could ONLY have gotten into that computer because the Ruskies specifically targeted THAT SPECIFIC computer. No idiot employee could possibly have been surfing the net, looking at porn, or whatever, with it. [sarc/off]

    What a load of useless reporting. But meanwhile, according to the WaPo article, politician (doesn’t matter what brand or level – if you’ve seen one politician, you’ve seen ‘em all) –

    Patrick J. Leahy said he was briefed on the attempts to penetrate the electric grid by Vermont State Police on Friday evening. “This is beyond hackers having electronic joy rides — this is now about trying to access utilities to potentially manipulate the grid and shut it down in the middle of winter,” Leahy said in a statement. “That is a direct threat to Vermont and we do not take it lightly.”

    If he was briefed on a laptop NOT connected to the grid, concerning a case that is still under investigation, and therefore doesn’t have any idea if the Russians even attempted to hack the grid vs.some laptop user watching porn or sticking a USB drive into the laptop (maybe/maybe not allowed by that system) to play his favorite game while sitting at his desk, bored, then politician Leahy was only doing what politicians do: scoring points through the media, and adding to the collective terror of the nation (or not).

    But everyone KNOWS the Russians are the evil ones here – the ONLY evil ones! (What ever happened to the Sony-loving North Koreans, or the US Government-loving Chinese hackers? Did they all die? How about Iranians, Israelis, Pakistanis, or any other Whatchamacallits?) Color me unimpressed, and no further enlightened than I was ½ hour ago….

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html?utm_term=.e1b151cb7b00

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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    #50853
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    Obama and his gang are really grasping at straws with what is a gross exaggeration, especially when it is known that the Chinese have mapped and hacked the entire grid, not just a backwater system in tiny VT. And of course what are the odds we haven’t hacked the grids of other countries? Obama’s less than graceful departure is pathetic. He’s just trying to make things tougher for Trump is all.

    #50854
    Tolik
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    Nobody hacked anything . Its a case of one group of people not being able to accept the outcome of how the electorate voted . That brings me to another point , the electorate is answerable to NO ONE . They are legally free to vote any way they choose , and they chose Trump . Thats the way our system works , for good or bad , it was all done in accordance with our laws , just because the Commies didnt like the vote . Does not mean it was tampered with .

    #50855
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    (In response to MountainBiker’s last post)

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
    levies war against them or
    adheres to their enemies,
    giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
    is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,

    or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

    Does the President of the United States OWE allegiance to the United States? Of course.
    Has he levied war against the United States? One could argue same. Guilty? Maybe, maybe not….
    Has he adhered to our enemies? No question – he’s importing them!. Guilty.
    Has he given our enemies aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere? Guilty on both counts.

    Therefore, he would seem guilty of treason without any stretch of the definition, on multiple counts.

    The same questions (and conclusions) are in order for the failed presidential candidate/former Secretary of State, the current Secretary of State, the current Attorney General, the UN Ambassador, and a whole host of others.

    These are not mere privates or civilian spies. Given their high offices and responsibilities, is there anyone for whom the maximum penalty would be MORE in order? [That’s a rhetorical question – not intended to put anyone here on the line with an excuse for “them” to take personal action against a loyal citizen.]

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Profile photo of GeorgiaSaint GeorgiaSaint.
    • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Profile photo of GeorgiaSaint GeorgiaSaint.
    #50860
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    Please This is all a plan by O. We all hack each other. The U. S. maybe the biggest hacker of them all. O is just mad that they lost and that Trump is going to delete everything he has done.

    #50867
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    And it was the Burlington Electric Company, Burlington being the ultra liberal part of Vermont. How convenient.

    #50869
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    Ahhhh, Burlington. At one time MANY years ago, for some weird reason long forgotten, we thought about getting out of the Air Force and going up there and opening a tropical fish store (a love of ours at the time). The logic made sense – to two 20-somethings with no decent life experience or business experience. And I hadn’t been out of that type of weather long enough to learn to STAY out of it. Plus, my wife couldn’t comprehend what that type of weather would be like to live in – she liked my stories of the beauty of the area, and the summer-time and fall photos. I just wanted the quiet and the beauty, had we gotten out back then. Sorry to hear it went far left, and equally happy to know we made a different decision. :-)

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by Profile photo of GeorgiaSaint GeorgiaSaint.
    #50871
    Tolik
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    Please This is all a plan by O. We all hack each other. The U. S. maybe the biggest hacker of them all. O is just mad that they lost and that Trump is going to delete everything he has done.

    Kind of funny , Putin reacted in the most graciously insulting way he could to Obama , by wishing
    “President Trump and the American people a happy new year . ” In other words , just get your ass out the door already , nobody cares anymore ! He didnt take Osama Obama seriously when he started , he sure as hell isnt taking him seriously now . Picture in your mind , if you will ………………..remember the scene from Monty Pythons , Search for the Holy Grail ? The French taunters ? thats what i see when O leaves office , head hung low , listening to the jeers and taunts as he walks , suitcase in hand .

    #50917
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    Well, well, well…. If this ain’t interesting. Timing is everything, as they say. AFTER the intelligence (?) briefings regarding “Russian” hacking of the DNC were over today,

    FBI Says Democrats Refused Access to Hacked E-Mail Servers

    The Democratic National Committee rebuffed requests by federal agents to inspect computer servers that had been breached last year during the presidential campaign, forcing them to rely on third-party cyber security data to investigate the hack, the FBI said.

    The revelation came hours before U.S. intelligence chiefs are set to brief President-elect Donald Trump on their assessment that Russia was behind the attack.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-06/fbi-says-democrats-refused-access-to-hacked-e-mail-servers

    The Dems were “certain” that the Russians did it! Or so they claimed. But they forced the FBI to go to outside, 3rd party sources for evidence. So just what WAS on those servers – not only in the emails and memos, but in the bowels of the tracking codes – that they wanted to hide?

    The DNC denies the FBI ever even asked to examine the servers, but was content to rely on the company the DNC hired to examine the servers (CrowdStrike). If that’s true, the FBI is a bunch of worse-than-amateurs, and/or paid off by the highest bidder. I choose answer “C” – “Both of the above.”

    Meanwhile, says the FBI,

    “The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” an FBI official said Thursday, according to BuzzFeed News.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/05/fbi-claims-dnc-inhibited-its-investigation-of-stolen-emails/

    And why did the FBI just now disclose this refusal to assist in the investigation by granting FBI access to the very servers that were allegedly hacked by – somebody? They let the “intelligence” people have their day in front of the cameras, let everybody trash Trump, then quietly announced late in the day the refusal by the Dems to allow access to those very servers. Another set-up of Trump – whether he’s right or wrong, and certainly anything BUT the most transparent administration in history. Forget the Gypsies! “Politicians, tramps, and thieves!”

    Whatcha hidin’ Hillary/Barack/Huma/John? And why? What would it REALLY show about the hacking – evidence planted OUTSIDE (for the 3rd party organizations to “find”?)? And/or what MORE would it show that Wikileaks hasn’t already given us?

    It stinketh, And it gets interestinger and interestinger….

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of GeorgiaSaint GeorgiaSaint.
    #50925
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    GS

    The dems have probably already taken hammers to the servers and destroyed everything. They would be arrested for eliminating evidence of a crime and lying during the investigation. They spent a billion dollars on the election and following the money would get very interesting. What if the Russians did hack The whole democratic worldwide organization? +1,000,000 Jackpot

    Greatest intelligence coup in history. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We all love the way the democrats whine when they’re the victims of their own dishonesty.

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    #50927
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    #50928
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    Tolik this proves that anyone could have done this and that Trump is right that the DNC and Hillary are at fault for not protecting them self.

    #50929
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    Pro: John McAfee certainly has way above average knowledge of HOW things are done, and can quite adequately assess them. John McAfee also laid out four specific things (date/time stamp, IP address, keyboard type, and language used) that make a strong case for a NON-state actor to be at the front of the “Russian” hacking. Oh – I also forgot his allegation that the malware used was over a year old when it was used on the DNC servers, after multiple improvements (updates) had been made on it.

    Con: John McAfee certainly has more than his share of “issues,” and his character would be brought into question if this ever went to a courtroom and he was called as a witness – all in an effort to show he isn’t a credible witness

    Con: Ed Schultz’ credibility certainly isn’t meaningful to anyone at all right of center, to say the least. (Interestingly, that’s also a PRO: because he’s using John McAffee to attack the entire Democrat organization (DNC, Obama/administration, Clinton Inc., Podesta, you name it!). So add +1 in BOTH the Pro and Con columns on just this one factor.

    Con: This was broadcast on RT, a Russian State-owned outlet, and related to the immediately preceding “Con,” Ed Schultz is working on their behalf as one of their presenters (but then again, that also qualifies as a “Pro”)..

    Conclusion: Not only did the Administration/DNC/Clinton organizations get to stir up far more trouble with Russia (something they’ve been pushing for for quite a while now), they also put almost-President Donald J Trump in a nearly no-win situation just days before he “owns” it all. He’s been backing the Russians, playing up to Putin, and generally trying to set a new tone for relations with Russia. But he wasn’t briefed at the same time as Congress was briefed, despite now having the security clearance needed to know very significant information as part of the necessary transition. And the FBI only JUST acknowledged that they were not given access to the DNC servers that were instead turned over to a DNC selected private company, and the FBI was forced to use as “primary” data the stuff the private firm gathered (that’s at best, secondary data obviously). That also certainly gives some credibility (I’ll refrain from commenting on just how much) to those that would argue the DNC probably CREATED the “evidence” of hacking, and chose to get their “private” information released to Wikileaks themselves!

    Given the five items outlined by McAfee (date/time stamp, IP address, keyboard type, language used, and outdated malware) –VS– McAfee’s credibility, Ed Schultz’ credibility, RT’s credibility, or our own intelligence community’s credibility (headed up by the man who admitted to lying under oath to a congressional committee!), we’re still left with some very simple-to-understand reasons why it would seem far less likely that Russia was the hacker. They just aren’t that amateurish! Oh – and we are NOT seeing this interview on NBC/CBS/CNN/FOX/NPR/ABC — why not? Let’s see what Sean Hannity has to say now! Will he have a sock stuck in his mouth, commit 2-round suicide, or somehow be allowed to follow up on his interview with this after his Julian Assange interview just last week – in prime time (not 10:00 p.m.)?

    But Trump now has to deal with a Congress ready to declare war on Russia, somehow not LOOK like an idiot to the entire American public for having questioned the “Russia did it” story, and also somehow deal with Russia in a way that allows progress and reduced danger with Russia. Tall order. Brilliant gamesmanship by whoever has really done all this! Something stinks to high heaven, regardless.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    • This reply was modified 6 months, 2 weeks ago by Profile photo of GeorgiaSaint GeorgiaSaint.
    #50931
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    My problem is that if this is a problem then WHY have they(Obama) not done anything to the Chinese which have done more? This is 100% political.

    #50932
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    I’m just putting this out as a “hypothetical” of course – {choke} – IF the Democrats (which includes the DNC, the Administration, the President and all his handlers, and whoever else is behind this) did this, then it’s not ABOUT not punishing China. We don’t want to get into a war with China. The people behind this have been gunning for war with Russia – either directly, or as close to directly as we can get without WWIII. It’s about exactly that – war with Russia, making them our enemy. And now they’ll be able to blame Trump even more! He’s the guy who actually BELIEVED AND SUPPORTED Russia while they hacked away. One term and done! Maybe less, if enough Republicans get back on the Dump-Trump train fully again, in a sweeping Kumbaya bipartisan effort to “stabilize” the United States and SAVE IT! don’tchaknow.

    Not that I’d suggest that the United States (the tiny bit of it that’s left) is in the process of being stolen right out from under us! 100% political, well yes … sorta … as long as you call a coup a political action. I think we’re watching the set-up to it even now (and I’ve thought so since day-two after the election).

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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