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  • #51964
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    Very interesting article. We are seeing as Americans more and more of what the deep state has been doing. Look at all the lies Comey said. He is part of the problem.

    Putin and Trump vs. the Deep State- It Is Time to Choose Sides America

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/06/08/putin-and-trump-vs-the-deep-state-it-is-time-to-choose-sides-america/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=putin-and-trump-vs-the-deep-state-it-is-time-to-choose-sides-america

    #51965
    Whirlibird
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    I long ago chose sides, I chose mine.

    Political types choose to follow my ways, they can come along for the ride. No? Then they’re cannon fodder.

    #51966
    Tolik
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    Time for the rise up , Nuremberg style trials at the end ( with many , many , more executions )
    Putin can provide the Gulags for the ones that dont get the death penalty . Daily beatings , while having to work hard labor for the single food ration . And when you die , you become part of whatever road through Siberia , you end up building .

    #51967
    Whirlibird
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    Sounds revolutionary.
    And revolutions have a habit of coming back in ones face.
    Your “side” may not keep you on their side and you end up like the others.

    But history might not repeat itself.

    #51968
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    Sounds revolutionary.
    And revolutions have a habit of coming back in ones face.
    Your “side” may not keep you on their side and you end up like the others.

    Agreed, WB, but when I extrapolate out along the line of social “progress” I’ve seen so far, I think it at least equally likely that the children may consume their elders. (I’m willing to concede that my crystal ball is cloudier than most, and this may simply be the prejudice of one increasingly aware that the entire planet is “No Country for Old Men.”)

    Still, as Freedom notes, it’s an interesting article, if only because the economic forces are acknowledged as producing the political world, and not merely the hapless result of political forces. To the extent Russia is free from the global debt economy, to that extent it is free to chart an independent course. I can certainly understand why Putin wants his naval bases in Crimea and Syria. We could worry that Russia might use them to attack the US, or Eurabia, (and they might) but without them, Russia would be relatively defenseless against anyone with naval bases all over the globe. We could say that we would never attack them, but one only has to think back to the clandestine military machinations of once and former SecState Pantsuit and her boss, to realize that from Russia’s perspective, there’s precious little guarantee of US peaceful intentions, in the long run.

    The best conditions for peace within and between any nations or “Treaty Organizations” is mutually beneficial trade. As long as nations are ruled by Vampire Squid controllers of debt money, the desperation that makes war, or violent “revolution” seem necessary, is inevitable. Few in the human race understand enough to reject the soft harness of easy (debt) “money”. Eventually, after they have been bribed into poverty with their own earnings, most people are ready to barbecue someone — usually some !@#$%^&* foreigner.

    Parabellum!

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #51969
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    The bindle stiff state of california under jerry moonbeam brown has chosen sides. The chinese. Now its up to the CIC Trump and congress to decide if he should be arrested.
    In similar circumstances Putin would have him shot. Just saying, if kali goes, most of the west coast will go with it. The reality loser will be the deep state if they continue the war on Trump.

    #51970
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    I always thought that Commiefornia should be kicked out of the union .

    Whillybird said “Sounds revolutionary.
    And revolutions have a habit of coming back in ones face.
    Your “side” may not keep you on their side and you end up like the others.

    But history might not repeat itself.”
    True , but then again , other than eventual death , there are no guarantees in life . Those that dont participate in the revolution , which will be most , will have to take what they get in government for their apathy .

    #51974
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    The problem with revolution is when and where.
    Then there’s your partners.

    Most revolutionaries couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper sack.

    Heinlein’s “Beyond this Horizon” may be worth a read.

    Here’s a thought, CA and Hawaii want to violate the contract with these United States, OK, the contract is null and void.
    They are on their own. Pull everything out.
    No assistance, no nothing.
    Have a nice day.

    #51975
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    We could say that we would never attack them, but one only has to think back to the clandestine military machinations of once and former SecState Pantsuit and her boss, to realize that from Russia’s perspective, there’s precious little guarantee of US peaceful intentions, in the long run.

    The Soviets know very well that Air Force Manual 1-1 once categorically stated the U.S. would never initiate a first strike – even back in the days of a strong Strategic Air Command, a massive, well armed, and much newer force of B-52s, backed by all sorts of Minute Man missiles scattered all over the midwest.

    And then a revised AFM 1-1 was published – sans reference to prohibited first strikes. That policy change, by the way, was LONG after the Cuban missile crisis. Yes, the Soviets knew all about that long-standing policy, and the subsequent policy change. And the Soviets are still alive. Vladimir is but one of them. Why SHOULD they trust us? Hillary helped them secure a significant amount of our uranium output, then her supporters proceeded to vilify the RUSSIANS!. Again – why SHOULD they trust us?

    [If] CA and Hawaii want to violate the contract with these United States, OK, the contract is null and void. They are on their own. Pull everything out. No assistance, no nothing.

    At the risk of being called an isolationist (HARDLY! – but that’s how such things are framed these days, thanks to the exquisite honing of Uncle Saul’s “Rules”), I say worry more about things domestic, and take Whirli’s advice – that feels very, very nice to me. Heck – there are those in Hawaii pushing for independence. We stole the place from them in the first place, perhaps it’s time to give it back. Just bring back the Arizona and properly bury those still entombed within her. Then bring our global forces back home as well, strengthen us back to the old Strategic Air Command days (modernized, of course), fully develop and deploy an anti-missile defense, and monitor the Soviets – oops – Russians. If they stay in their own back yard, let ‘em be. And as Tec said,

    The best conditions for peace within and between any nations or “Treaty Organizations” is mutually beneficial trade. As long as nations are ruled by Vampire Squid controllers of debt money, the desperation that makes war, or violent “revolution” seem necessary, is inevitable

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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    #51979
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    L Tecolote
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    Whether Hawaii will remain a State or not will probably be decided first, by some international tribunal, and if adjudged to have been an independent nation, unjustly conquered and occupied by hostile forces, ultimately decided by Hawaiians, themselves. My untrained opinion is that it would probably be to the military and economic advantage of the uSA to have it remain in the union.

    Similarly, regardless of the political rancor, it would probably also be to the economic and political advantage of the rest of the union not to have another hostile, but economically powerful “nation” with an almost 1,000 mile long border on its western flank. One along the southern border is probably enough.

    It’s easy to conceive of California as uniformly socialist. But from the perspective of one who grew up here, I can tell you that it’s more like 60:40, and only within the last 30-40 years, at that. If the hatred from other states seems older than that, much of it was prompted by envy for its wealth and climate, and resentment for its earlier relative lack of racial strife. Hippies, commies, and snowflakes are mostly urban, and relatively recent. California was proudly part of the nation when I was a young man. And a lot of the impetus for its socio-political decline moved out here, mostly from the industrial northeast.

    Russia, will probably always be our competition. But both we and they would be better off if we didn’t need to be enemies. We both have plenty of enemies in common already, not the least of which is the debt money system.

    As for all of our international military commitments, many of them seem to me to be destructive out our interests. What, for instance, is our national interest in having troops in Afghanistan? Yemen? Somalia? I stilll haven’t received an identifiable dividend from the last four or five wars. Is endless war the price of keeping a competent military? It doesn’t seem to be working out so well for a lot of homeless (and often suicidal) veterans. It seems to me we’ve let too many of the wrong people set the national priorities, for way too long, and I see little reason to expect improvement within my lifetime.

    So, I prep.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #51980
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    LT, my sincere apology. You’re right, of course. I’ve largely stayed away of late because I simply don’t even want to discuss this cr@p – not that it’s not important, or meaningful to me, but just because I would almost rather stay in a state of denial about what’s really going on. Of course it’s safer to have at least SOME control over California (or at least access to it as part of the Union), and also have Hawaii sitting where it sits, halfway between us and some of the worst actors on the planet. Yes, that’s all a given. It’s just easier to say “screw it,” throw my hands up, and cut off the trouble makers and pretend that will solve it all. No, it won’t.

    With that said, whether anyone likes the source or not, I find the following article to be about as on point as we can get these days. And the implications are almost too awful to consider:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/10/the-entire-deep-state-dc-institutional-apparatus-knew-president-trump-was-not-under-investigation/

    Add to that, the following:

    http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/james-comey-fbi-and-others-sued-by-whistleblower-dennis-mo

    Pay very close attention, and let it sink in folks, just what is in the first paragraph of the 2nd article above:

    Dennis Montgomery, a former NSA, CIA and DIA contractor who came forward to Comey, under grant of immunity, with 47 hard drives and 600 plus million pages of information, as well as testified under oath, showing that SCOTUS justices, judges, prominent businessmen such as Donald Trump and others have been spied upon.

    Between the two articles, I believe the evidence is firmly in place about what’s at stake here, as well as any further need to question the overwhelmingly controlling existence of the Deep State. The solution, unfortunately, is not apparent to the vast majority of people, and would be labeled irrational by almost everyone – even some here.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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