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  • #45219
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    I don’t think there is any question as to whether or not they make an attack on the US, it’s definitely going to happen. The only question is when and where. Obviously it will be in a gun free environment or just the use of explosives.

    #45220
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    Yes gun free states need to get ready. This is the way the government wants to bring in marshal law and say that it will save us.

    #45221
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    As a follow up on what will they do next…… I wonder what type of weapons were stolen?

    Weapons missing after break-in at Army facility in Worcester

    Posted: Nov 15, 2015 6:44 PM EST
    Updated: Nov 15, 2015 6:52 PM EST
    BOSTON (WHDH) –
    The FBI says weapons are missing after a break-in at the Army Reserve Center in Worcester.

    The FBI says it is working with State Police and Worcester Police to recover the weapons.

    “There is no indication that these missing weapons are connected to any kind of terrorism threat whatsoever. Nevertheless, every effort will be made to recover these weapons immediately,” the FBI said in a statement.

    The weapons have been entered into a national database, according to the FBI. Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities have been alerted.

    #45222
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    “There is no indication that these missing weapons are connected to any kind of terrorism threat whatsoever.”

    Go back to sleep, little sheeple. Nothing to see here. Move along. We’ll let you know when we want your unthinking emotional response. It’s not ready yet.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #45223
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    What isn’t being said is at least as important as what is being said. The FBI will not identify what weapons or how many were stolen. However, one story did say the thieves got in through the roof. Latest word this evening from one story is,

    Ms. Setera said the FBI is working with other agencies. Sunday, as darkness fell, two vehicles were parked at the Shaw Building on the UMass Memorial Medical Center’s University Campus and investigators examined the hillside between that building and the armory, taking photographs. The crew declined to identify themselves to a reporter and went to the armory when they left.

    “We are collaborating with Massachusetts State Police, Worcester police and others to locate and recover these weapons immediately. There is no indication that these missing weapons are connected to any kind of terrorism threat whatsoever,” Ms. Setera said in her statement. “Nevertheless, every effort will be made to recover these weapons immediately.”

    No motion detection tied to any alarm system, apparently (unless somebody knew how to disarm it before it was triggered). Thieves somehow knew to go through the roof. One might wonder about an inside job. Terrorist or not, they seem rather tight-lipped about the whole thing, to include the unidentified vehicles and their unidentified “crew.” Why the unwillingness to identify even who they work for when the FBI is out front in the investigation (by appearances, anyway)? And who are the “others” the FBI is “collaborating with” besides Mass. State Police and Worcester Police? Why not just identify them? A Reserve center? What’s so big-dealish about that, beyond the obvious weapons theft? And if there were really high value/sensitive weapons inside, what happened to security that the theft had to be “discovered?”

    May be nothing but some punk kids wanting more guns for the streets or to sell, but it just smells odd to me.

    #45224
    Whirlibird
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    Yes gun free states need to get ready. This is the way the government wants to bring in marshal law and say that it will save us.

    Martial law is the last thing they want or need.

    Think about it for a moment.
    The sheer quantity of resources to support a city of 8 million such as zoo York alone is beyond belief.
    Let alone the state, the eastern seaboard, etc.

    What would come with martial law?
    Revolution. Riots. Revolt.
    Exactly what they don’t want happening when dealing with a bunch of armed goat humpers.

    The revolt is only in their plans when they are leading it.

    Martial law isn’t part of the long plan.
    The slow change to a socialist .gov is.
    These terrs are the fly in the ointment, stirring up the rabble, arming those who may never have considered getting a gun before. Conservatism on the rise, they are losing hard won ground.

    Step back, take the emotion out, look at it all with sterile eyes.
    Clinical thought.
    Martial law? No.

    Self policing, turn in your neighbors for the common good, big brother is watching.
    Fear, paranoia and self interest are all they need to make it happen.

    #45225
    Whirlibird
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    As to the reserve center, hard telling what they got.
    Most reserve armories don’t have but their allotted rifles and pistols.
    Maybe a few MGs if its that kind of unit.
    The heavy stuff isn’t stored there.

    So Islamic terrs or Bubba and Jethro making sure they had something?
    Personally I’m betting on Bubba.
    It’s too easy to just bring it across the border, less risky.

    #45233
    Whirlibird
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    Looks like they got 10 pistols, 6 M4’s and a couple other long guns.
    I’ll bet some members here have more than that.

    #45234
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    rnews

    Whirly,
    Maybe, but I seriously doubt anyone on this forum has the criminality needed to steal from an armory. The local boy scout troop didn’t commit this theft. If they are used against a crowd of disarmed civilians in Boston a whole lot of people will die before the cops even show up. Whoever stole them isn’t planning to attack armed peppers.

    #45235
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    But why risk breaking into an armory? It would seem there are plenty of softer targets out there. As an aside for anyone that wants to try to pass for a New Englander, Worcester is properly pronounced wusster. That is unless you have a Boston style accent, and then it’s just wussta.

    On the matter avoidance of public venues that might be targets, there are untold #’s of them of course, but my heart dropped for a moment last night when we got a photo of my 3 year old granddaughter taken at a “Nutcracker Tea” at the Trump National Golf Club – Charlotte. Its actually way out in the suburbs just a couple miles from my daughter’s home. All I could think was given Trump may well be the only candidate that would actually fight Islamic terrorism, anything associated with him could well become a target. That and the fact that my intelligent well educated beautiful daughter is not situationally aware at all. She just doesn’t think in these terms. Sometimes it amazes me that she and her brother grew up in the same house with the same parents. He is extremely aware.

    #45236
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    Looks like they got 10 pistols, 6 M4’s and a couple other long guns.

    Yes, I heard that on Fox News this morning too. It’s really sad that I’m skeptical of anything coming out of the “news” media, and particularly if it’s the “news” media reporting on what the government is doing – one unreliable source reporting on another source that initially withheld what would seem to be readily releasable information. So, my honest reaction is, maybe, maybe not. It may very well be only those weapons (as serious as that is), or we’re looking at something much different. I have no reason to believe either possibility over the other, given the long-gone credibility of either the media or the government.

    In the meantime, where’s the story about the possible (!) security breach? In through the roof? No alarms as evidenced by the break-in being “found” on Sunday? Weapons stored in a “locker” (at least that was Fox’s version)? I’ll bet many here, with far less money to waste, keep their weapons in something more than a “locker.” Yes, I worked for da gummint for a long time, and fully understand the corruption, waste, abuses, etc. But this is ridiculous. And if I’m wrong and it isn’t ridiculous, then just report on it and explain it.

    #45237
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    GS,
    This is just an example of the typical American methodology. These armories are not secure sites in any fashion and are frequently open to the public to attend entertaining events. I’ve been in armories to attend circuses, gun and art shows. The whole facility is open for inspection if that was your purpose. If there were any alarm systems my guess is they are limited to perimeter detection devices. Probably the locker is a cage within a locked room. I’d make a bet the perp’s entered through an unprotected skylight or other roof opening. On the other hand the general public has no idea how ingenious determined criminals are and the tools available to them when they want something of value. This place could have had guards sitting at the front entrance and not known they were getting ripped off.

    MB,
    I doubt a private firearms business with class 3 weaponry would have such easily defeated security measures. An actual gun safe would make it much more difficult, not impossible, but the tools needed would be different. Interior motion sensors are also hard to defeat without some knowledge of the system.

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    #45239
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    I doubt a private firearms business with class 3 weaponry would have such easily defeated security measures. An actual gun safe would make it much more difficult, not impossible, but the tools needed would be different. Interior motion sensors are also hard to defeat without some knowledge of the system.

    That’s my point exactly. Our local police recommend dusk-to-dawn lights on in front of people’s houses (not 60 watt bulbs on the front porch, but flood lights on each corner, lighting the sides and front), at least motion-detection floods on the two back corners, and a sign warning of a security system. So, that’s what we’ve got (they said full time rear lights are not necessry if there’s no reasonable access to the back yard). Indoors there are motion detectors (VERY sensitive as we recently learned when we accidentally activated the “away” alarm through unintended pressing on the “alarm” button of one of our keychain activators, hah hah!). You can’t get to any “sensitive” area of our house (any reasonably high value stuff) without activating one or more of the motion detectors. The keypad can be destroyed by an invader and the separate device (in another room) will still phone the security company (which is VERY prompt at verification of a valid alert and subsequent notification of police). It doesn’t use a land line (separate cell phone module built into the separate device in another room, thus cutting power to the house is no problem), and we also get a text message within seconds of any alert if we’re away. Alerts in our case include power failure in the home (the entire system is battery operated except the main module that’s also battery-backed up), water in designated areas where a water detector is placed), smoke, and break-in through ANY of our windows and doors. Cost? WELL under $1000, with no contract, and all equipment is owned outright, not leased. Yes, we pay extra for monitoring, but premium monitoring with our company is far less than ADT and similar contract-based rip-offis and still includes text message notification of ALL alerts. So why can’t an Army Reserve Center spend well under $1000 (budget-dust for them!) to properly secure their facility?

    As for internal security, I’m willing to bet that that Reserve Center has a concrete floor. It took me perhaps an hour to drill four holes using a borrowed hammer drill to secure our fire-rated safe to our slab floor. So why can’t the Reserve Center do the same? As 74 pointed out, a safe (whether designed for guns or not) takes a whole lot more than bolt cutters or tools suitable to get into lockers and cages. To keep firearms anywhere OTHER than a gun safe is just plain stupid, in my opinion, when not in the home. We’ve got additional upgrades (cameras) coming that should still keep us under $1000 total cost for all equipment. (Simplisafe, for those in the US who’re interested – best in the business that we’ve been able to find, when comparing features, benefits, and reliability vs. pricing.)

    So I just have no use for the people in government that won’t provide such safety for taxpayer-funded equipment and facilities using a tiny fraction of their total budget even in the face of sequestration. If we, as a relatively low fixed (retirement) income family can secure the things that matter most to us for well under $1000 and even own the system outright, and get police notification plus personal SMS text alerts of ANY changes at our home when we’re away – plus the ability to set the alarm on line if we forgot before we left – why can’t they? No excuse!

    #45240
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    “There is no indication that these missing weapons are connected to any kind of terrorism threat whatsoever.”

    Of course the feddies have “no indication … whatsoever.” When was the last time thieves of any variety left an explanatory note detailing their intended use or disposition of the stolen property? Once again our government gets to continue their claim that they never lie to the American people, while issuing a completely unwarranted reassurance to the sheeple.

    #45242
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    one of our ministers in the dutch parliament :
    Donner : Enter sharia as majority want….
    Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner ( CDA) believes that the Netherlands Muslims, even fundamentalist , with open arms to receive. “If someone refuses to shake hands with women , you have to accept that .”

    Donner says in an interview with Free Netherlands. In it he also appears to have no fundamental objections to the introduction of sharia, Islamic law, in the Netherlands. “If two-thirds of all Dutch tomorrow would want to introduce Sharia, then that possibility still exist?”

    Donner: No objection to Sharia Donner calls “the essence of democracy.” The majority counts. The minister would like to see a radical Muslim leader Abou Jahjah, leader of the Arab European League, as quickly as possible is elected in parliament. “He stays within the limits of the law and functions as a lightning rod for the discomfort among young Muslims.”
    Benighted
    Donner believes that secularization in the Netherlands by beaten. Therefore people respond according to the minister ‘extremely’ at the rise of Islam. “They are so arrogant to think that belief in God is stupid.”
    Netherlands should welcome a new Muslim community with open arms, finds Donner. And if Muslims keep on following their own behavior, one has to accept that. “When I leave here, Muslim leaders have visited, I do not say: come guys, let’s go have a drink.”
    The Freedom Party of Geert Wilders takes the statements of Donner high and will pose questions in Parliament today on the statements of the minister. Wilders, a Dutch minister obliged, at all times to oppose by force against the introduction of the barbaric sharia in the Netherlands. “

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