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  • #19409
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    freedom
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    Well O hid a ban on the AK-47 in his executive order on Wednesday. Always trying to get some gun control out of everything he does.

    http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/?p=66203/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=ddolbee&utm_campaign=20140719-chronicle0719-obamasignsexectutiveorderbanningak47s

    #19421
    Whirlibird
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    In reality, the AK part of the ban is only luck for zero.

    The executive order had to do with a mess of Russian companies, the main Russian manufacturer also makes missile parts. Hence the ban on the company.

    #19422
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    chris.alaska
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    Does the U.S. import a lot of Russian missile parts?

    I noticed the price of Saiga shotguns has gone up noticeably over the past few days on gunbroker.

    #19424
    Whirlibird
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    Its a ban on all products by those 8ish makers,
    The Kalashnikov group is included.

    No Romanian, Hungarian or other maker is effected.
    Just the Russians.

    #19467
    Pinhead
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    Yeah, it was just part of their normal philosophy: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

    They saw an opportunity and seized upon it. Small increments like this are what will eventually topple the republic. As stupid as it may sound to those who are not entirely awake, it’s the small steps towards the eradication of our rights that mirrors every other country out there who have fallen to tyrannical regimes.

    The chipping away will pop up in many forms:
    1) It’s for the kids
    2) It’s for the safety of the public
    3) You don’t NEED that, so you won’t be allowed to have it
    4) That item has no sporting purpose
    5) Civilian ownership of any firearm in the U.S. threatens the legitimate power monopoly of the state. (okay, this one is a little more obvious)

    No one notices when the rat steals a bite of cheese instead of taking the whole thing.

    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

    #19473
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    undeRGRönd
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    Pinhead wrote:
    Yeah, it was just part of their normal philosophy: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

    The chipping away will pop up in many forms:
    1) It’s for the kids

    2) It’s for the safety of the public

    3) You don’t NEED that, so you won’t be allowed to have it

    4) That item has no sporting purpose

    5) Civilian ownership of any firearm in the U.S. threatens the legitimate power monopoly of the state. (okay, this one is a little more obvious)

    No one notices when the rat steals a bite of cheese instead of taking the whole thing.

    …and Demonic Rats is what they are…

    The pic is there, it shows after click-y :D

    "ROGUE ELECTRICIAN" Hoping to be around to re-energize the New World.....

    Cogito, ergo armatus sum

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    #19477
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    undeRGRönd
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    PS: I got mine, (AK) so they can kiss it!

    "ROGUE ELECTRICIAN" Hoping to be around to re-energize the New World.....

    Cogito, ergo armatus sum

    #19478
    Pinhead
    Pinhead
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    Demonic-Rats…lol

    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

    #19480
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    2 things ,
    1. it does not affect AKs that are made in America , to which there are a growing number . That number will grow rapidly as business is business , our people will step up to the plate to fill the void because there is a lot of money to be made .
    2. It may not affect AK’s that are 92 compliant , 92 compliant means they are imported by an American company and then reassembled here with at least 6 american made parts before resale to the public .

    #19483
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    freedom
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    rnews

    Tolik, Good facts to know. I have been seeing more AK’s that are made in the U. S.A.

    #19501
    Whirlibird
    Whirlibird
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Tolik wrote:</div>2 things ,<br>
    1. it does not affect AKs that are made in America , to which there are a growing number . That number will grow rapidly as business is business , our people will step up to the plate to fill the void because there is a lot of money to be made .<br>
    2. It may not affect AK’s that are 92 compliant , 92 compliant means they are imported by an American company and then reassembled here with at least 6 american made parts before resale to the public .

    Part 1: Correct. As long as none of the parts come from the Kalashnikov Concern and they have no ‘interest’ in the parts and financing.

    Part 2: Not correct if they are made by the Kalashnikov Concern. The ‘ban’ effects all products by these corporations.

    Part 2 (2): This will have no effect on ‘parts kits’ already in the country and fully owned/paid for by someone in the US. The Kalashnikov Concern can have no financial attachment to anything at this point.

    The “ban” has no effect on Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, etc manufacturers, only the Russian guns.
    The ban includes Izhmash and Saiga firearms.

    And technically it’s not a ban on the weapons themselves but dealing economically with the manufacturer.

    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx

    374. If I own a Kalashnikov product, is that product blocked by sanctions? Am I able to resell a Kalashnikov product at a gun show or other secondary market?

    If a U.S. person is in possession of a Kalashnikov Concern product that was bought and fully paid for prior to the date of designation (i.e., no payment remains due to Kalashnikov Concern), then that product is not blocked and OFAC sanctions would not prohibit the U.S. person from keeping or selling the product in the secondary market, so long as Kalashnikov Concern has no interest in the transaction. New transactions by U.S. persons with Kalashnikov Concern are prohibited, however, and any property in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest is blocked pursuant to OFAC’s designation of Kalashnikov Concern on July 16, 2014. If a U.S. person has an inventory of Kalashnikov Concern products in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest (for example, the products are not fully paid for or are being sold on consignment), we advise that U.S. person to contact OFAC for further guidance on handling of the inventory. [7-16-2014]

    Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant (Russian: Ижевский Mашиностроительный Завод) or IZHMASH (ИЖМАШ) is a weapons and motor vehicle manufacturer based in Izhevsk, founded in 1807 at the decree of Tsar Alexander I, and is now one of the largest corporations in its field. It manufactures the famous Kalashnikov series of assault rifle, along with a host of other Russian arms, including medium cannons, missiles, and guided shells. Izhmash also produces other goods, such as motorcycles and cars. As of April 2012 the company was declared bankrupt.[3] In November 2012, A proposal was made to merge Izhmash with Izhevsk Mechanical Plant (Izhmekh) under the new name “Kalashnikov”. As of August 13, 2013, Izhmash and Izhevsk Mechanical Plant have been merged and formally renamed Kalashnikov Concern.[1]

    #19522
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    undeRGRönd
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    Tolik wrote:

    2 things
    1. it does not affect AKs that are made in America , to which there are a growing number . That number will grow rapidly as business is business , our people will step up to the plate to fill the void because there is a lot of money to be made
    2. It may not affect AK’s that are 922r compliant, (which) means they are imported by an American company and then reassembled here with at least 6 american made parts before resale to the public .

    For those interested in finding this,
    it is technically 922R

    Here’s a link that may help!

    http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildAkVerifyCompliance

    Good Post, TOLIK!

    "ROGUE ELECTRICIAN" Hoping to be around to re-energize the New World.....

    Cogito, ergo armatus sum

    #19525
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    undeRGRönd
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    PS: “O” ain’t got the BALLz to outright ban ANY Weapon, and here’s proof:

    (seems he has some, but not for banning weapons) :D

    "ROGUE ELECTRICIAN" Hoping to be around to re-energize the New World.....

    Cogito, ergo armatus sum

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    #19529
    Selco
    Selco
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    :)
    Man! What a pic.

    #19547
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    If what whirlibird stated is fact , and I have no reason to doubt it is not , then no worries , your Arsenals , and Yugo’s ( actually made in Serbia by zestava ) are safe and will continue to be available , the 922 compliant “yugo’s” are actually very well made , good rifles for the money . I have one ( an N-PAP ) , and its a solid gun . It has a thicker receiver than most stamped AKs , and furniture that is better suited to what Americans are used to in their own weapons . This guy is a moron , this is the wrong time for that monkey to be attempting to mess with Russia financially , when both they and China are dumping the peso………I mean Dollar . The US economy is now so fragile , that a good shove by either of those nations and whoever they can get to go along with it , will collapse our economy ……………….at that point Ukraine will be the least of the governments worries . The old saying ” people who live in glass houses , should not throw stones ” . Seriously folks , its a joke , mighty armies could not take Russia , they really dont need us for anything financially , all this chimp is going to do is hurt a few Russian Billionaires profit margins , but do nothing to the country as a whole . He also has no clue to who he is dealing with , they are hard , tough people , the russians have a saying ” the Russian has a broad back ” , which means that they can endure hardship and continue on ……….not like most Americans . They are used to a hard way of life , does he really think he is going to impact them in any way ? They can also be doggedly stubborn , remember the Snowden request for asylum ? When asked by the press about the possibility of Snowden being handed over to the US , the reply was ” Russia has never extradited anybody , and never will “. I think this is actually a way for him to further the leftist anti 2nd amendment agenda .

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