November 20, 2015 at 8:13 pm #45351
Seems the year old “Deportation Relief” has hit a snag.
RobinNovember 20, 2015 at 9:08 pm #45353
If he wins this there will be no stopping him. His final year will be a whirlwind not only in bringing in even more people from the world’s hellholes but he’ll likely feel empowered enough to do some bold anti-gun executive orders and more enviro-crazy executive orders too. Maybe some racial preference executive orders even. He’s still got 14 months in office.November 20, 2015 at 9:56 pm #45354
Whirlwind is likely correct, either way it goes.
The bonus, we have time and Governors that are fed up.
I’d bet the 10th is going to be used a great deal in the coming months.
Between this, the EPA, gun rights, and more, secession is becoming more than a word bantered around chatrooms.November 20, 2015 at 10:23 pm #45355
What I have read is that the case will not be heard till 2017 so O will be out of office and if a Republican is elected it is over for the order even if the Supreme Court OK’s it.November 23, 2015 at 4:55 pm #45427
The 5th Circuit’s decision “will force millions of people — who are not removal priorities under criteria the court conceded are valid, and who are parents of U.S. citizens and permanent residents — to continue to work off the books, without the option of lawful employment to provide for their families,” Verrilli said.
Ah, how I love the emotional “logic” applied by the “bring ‘em ALL in” crowd. “Force?!?” Uh, no, they can simply leave and go back where they came from. “But that’s so inhumane!” No, life is tough. Some places are better than others, and some people are willing to stay and fight and make their own places better. Some choose to go and let others take care of them (yes, there are always some decent exceptions, I know).
And “the option of lawful employment to provide for their families?” Uh, again, they’re here illegally. There was no path to “lawful employment” via that route, until Obama invented it out of thin air. The only “lawful” option was to either leave voluntarily, or be locked up and then deported lawfully.
The socialists don’t want to deal with the longer term question of what will happen to the better areas once they’re overwhelmed with invaders willing to drain the resources until the cash cow is bankrupt? The overriding principle is that socialism only works until the haves are depleted by the have-nots. Then what?November 23, 2015 at 9:59 pm #45429
The overriding principle is that socialism only works until the haves are depleted by the have-nots. Then what?
The socialists don’t want to tell you what will happen, once the herd of cash cows discover that they are bankrupt (already), but they have plans, and if they told you now, it would spoil the surprise. (Shhh! Don’t wake the herd.) Like the Islamic State, they hate any insufficiently enslaved people, but without the”justification” of a formally recognized religion. Socialism is not pursued for its economic results, but for its psychological results: utterly irrespective of its physical outcome on its alleged beneficiaries, simply laboring in The Cause makes each socialist feel virtuous — truncated feedback, a religion without a god.
Observe Mexico, a socialist nation, but with almost no “middle class” (bourgeoisie) a vast underclass (proletariat), and a tiny handful of oligarchs who own practically everything worth owning, including the government — more billionaires per capita than the USSA. This is the condition into which “our” university-indoctrinated Soshies hope to complete converting America. The Constitution and Bill of Rights might eventually be formally replaced with other laws, but in the hands of an imperial Pretendsident willing to issue counter-constitutional orders, a purchased CONgress, and a complicit Extreme Court, and a distracted sheepizenry, the socialist ideal could be implemented long before the formal acknowledgement thereof. We’re almost there.
Cry, "Treason!"November 24, 2015 at 2:16 am #45434
The Constitution and Bill of Rights might eventually be formally replaced with other laws, but in the hands of an imperial Pretendsident willing to issue counter-constitutional orders, a purchased CONgress, and a complicit Extreme Court, and a distracted sheepizenry, the socialist ideal could be implemented long before the formal acknowledgement thereof. We’re almost there.
Exactly. As I think I mentioned somewhere on the Forum before, I had a chance to hear an interview with Dr. Thomas Sowell just days before the 2012 election. Anyone that has listened much to Dr. Sowell knows how deliberately he speaks. In the 2012 radio interview he was asked if he thought the United States could survive as a constitutional republic if Obama gained a 2nd term. He paused a moment, then answered with one word: “No.” He didn’t back off from that, use it as an attention-getting lead in, or anything of the sort. He merely explained why that was the case. I sat there stunned at the finality of his answer – still clinging to the hope that this nation could be salvaged. I began at that point, for the first time, to consciously consider pushing aside (and it was hard) the cognitive dissonance that had kept me from entertaining the idea that we had lost the game. As the past 3+ years has progressed, I am only amazed at how fast the downfall has progressed. I have long since become convinced that Sowell was correct. As sad as that was, it was – seemingly oddly – a bit freeing. Why fight something I don’t believe is winnable any longer?
Two years earlier, Sowell published a new book in which he argued that the Obama administration “is the embodiment, the personification, and the culmination of dangerous trends that began decades ago.” His book was titled, Dismantling America.” He saw that in terms of the dismantling of marriage, culture, and self-government. Following is a great interview which speaks to exactly what we’re discussing here, and indeed in other threads as well. It’s a bit long (36 minutes), but well worth the watch, particularly if one isn’t particularly familiar with Dr. Sowell (who is a former Marxist back in his 20s – he’s now 85).
By going to the Supreme Court, we will see just how far along in the final destructive phase we really are. If they even accept the case, they’ll have made a statement. And if they rule against the 5th Circuit, it will be a massive signal just how far along we are in the destruction phase. But few people will even notice it – they’ll go on with their jobs, their weekend golf, their vacations, whatever. And we’ll have yet another presidential election shortly after the decision, in which case the court of final appeal will have already effectively changed the law, yet again, to fulfill an predetermined objective, just as they did when the left divorce law in the hands of states, but imposed a blanket marriage law on all 50 (or 57) states, effectively obliterating the 10th Amendment. Oh what a complicated web we weave….
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