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  • #52202
    Whirlibird
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    #52213
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    GeorgiaSaint
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    WHY will no one (outside of the few in forums like this) believe that communism is still a “thing,” instead of believing the Alinsky tactic of ridiculing anyone that even mentions the word, calling them stupid, decades out of touch with the “fact” that there hasn’t been a communist threat in decades if there even ever was one, etc., etc., etc.?

    I have extensively studied communist doctrine and tactics, and thankfully had significant formal education on the subject as well. It is not dead, and has not been since the following core doctrine was published 169 years ago:

    In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. … The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution.

    It’s not some whacko’s claim that they are directly tied to communist ideals as stated above – the media simply will not report the connection, and is doing all it can to make Trump look as awful as they can to the dumbed-down masses, so he can either be removed from office, or voted out in another three years. His statements on Charlottesville were spot on – there WERE two violent groups, and it was designed to be that way. But he didn’t feed the narrative that only the white supremacists were to be denounced. The media invented the concept of “moral equivalence,” so they could trap him and the rest of right-thinking Americans into a false argument, trying to force wasted energy on a defense of Trump – rather than simply reversing the question: “Where did YOU get the idea that he was drawing a moral equivalence between the two sides?” No one on the “right” with any clout will throw questions back at them. Alinsky’s book was absolutely brilliant. And they know how to use it skillfully now, after nearly 50 years. Yet the “right” (whatever that means anymore anyway – also part of the Alinsky strategy) simply doesn’t learn how to follow the lead of the left, and use the same “rules” they use in the fight. This is a street fight with hardened gangsters vs. high-school boxing club members, and the boxing club members want to keep fighting their own way – but expecting different results (the definition we’ve all heard of insanity).

    We’re unlikely to get close enough to rip those masks off many of them, nor find out where they live and how they get their money. And the police have been neutered in the areas Antifa has chosen to concentrate so far. But hopefully they’ll get too cocky, and under-estimate the will of the folks they have NOT yet seen opposing them…. Just sayin….

    Good find, Whirlibird – I hope all will look at the pictures at minimum (but read the articles, too!). There is zero question in these pictures that are worth thousands of words – these are the latest strain of hard core communism as some of us knew it a half century or more ago. It never died. It just knows how to LOOK like it did, while it gains more strength. It’s absolutely classic communist behavior. To be uninformed is to be far more than just vulnerable. A paragraph from the 2nd article is highly instructive – to those that will pay attention, and study:

    Communists should not seek to stand apart from the masses! We should eat where they eat, live where they live, and wear what they wear. It is petit-bourgeois individualism that seeks separation. This is the shape the error takes. It is no wonder at all why the working class has so often lately ignored leftism.

    That 2nd article should be deeply concerning to many, and frightening to the rest.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #52278
    Tolik
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    They are nobody , just malcontent punks that dont want to have to work . They are no threat , because they are not willing to kill or die for what they think , they believe . At least Muslims will do either , without hesitation ………thats why they ARE a threat . Most are under 30 , that should tell you something right off the bat . They are just a collection of lazy , scared of life piles of dung , angry over the fact that the world doesn’t want to take care of them for the rest of their lives . They will never take it to a level of shooting . Why ? Because they know that is a line you dont cross if you dont want certain death . They do that , they not only have retaliation from the other side , but the cops WILL take them out . When it comes to that , the cops dont have politics , they dont care why you did it , they only care about stopping you from doing it again , if that means shooting you , thats what it is . They cant allow people to go around shooting other people , they wont allow it either , they dont care what side your on , nor should they . Antifa is like the hipies of the 60’s , make a big stink , while they are in their teens and twenties ………then as reality of getting older sets in , they drop back into society ……….cuz the thought of living out of a van , or a commune for the rest of your life , kinda sucks . So they get a job , and learn a trade .

    #52281
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    matt76
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    I have to disagree Tolik. The difference between hippies and Antifa is that this group is seeded with paid bad guys who are not afraid to kill when ordered. We have watched Antifa go from protests to rioting to assaulting people. They are young and dumb but it is monkey see monkey do. When the order is given a small group will inflict fatal wounds and the frenzy will start. It WILL be a blood bath and it will immediately be spun and the blame put on the evil violent Trump supporters. This is all a tool. When the final divide is created there will be sweeping movements to regain control. Those movements will totally disregard the Constitution.

    #52282
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    GeorgiaSaint
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    They’re just the useful idiots – the expendable people out front that are being used. I find too much evidence of a much more organized bunch behind them, and we simply aren’t seeing that on the 24/7 so-called “news” programs. But what we do still see is policy change coming because of these malcontent idiots – university policies, state policies, corporate policies. They don’t have to kill people or die for their cause – they’re getting results. And incremental results are still powerful over time. Look where we are now compared to when it was “only” the hippies and a few malcontents in Chicago in the 60s. Compare corporate, government, and university policies then and now, and the differences are massive, even as liberal as SOME universities were back then. Where my wife graduated, they were largely insulated from the tumult of the 60s – she was only vaguely aware of what was going on outside the conservative South at the time, and they didn’t feel a part of it. Now that state university is awash in things I wouldn’t send my kids to if I still had college age children at home. It’s called boiling frogs…. And that movement is very content to keep it as a multi-generational struggle. What was shocking in the 60s is commonplace now, and we just shake our heads. Those under about 55 simply don’t have the experience, and even some older than that were insulated enough from it then that they don’t understand what’s going on now.

    To dismiss Antifa as just a bunch of punk malcontents is short sighted.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #52283
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    matt76
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    Exactly GS. You are much better at drawing the picture by connecting the dots of experience. I am young enough to have not gone through the 60’s and only know about it from what I have read or been told.

    #52285
    Tolik
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    Not short sighted ………………..well armed , ready, and willing to defend myself . There are far more of us than them , difference is , we keep a low profile . I think my next gun purchase will be the Kel Tec KSG , made for close quarter defense . I live in a cold climate , bulky jackets and great coats are common place .

    #56474
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    Radical leftist group arming working-class people so they can defend minorities

    Though they claim to NOT be like Antifa, one might think otherwise. The ultra-leftists (all 35 of them! – according to the video) on Long Island are arming (with all-Soviet weapons) and practicing at an unnamed range “nearby.” (Like Google Maps would make that difficult to single out, since there are even photos of the place LOL! It’s called Calverton Shooting Range, right in the middle of L.I.)

    It’s cold, but I don’t suspect my shivering has anything to do with this “threat.” For your viewing pleasure (with an article below it), I submit the following. Somehow I suspect “anti-gun” de Blasio is secretly cheering these folks on. If it was a right-wing group he’d be all over it.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/redneck-revolt-group-who-are-they-left-wing-armed-group-protect-minorities-interview-a8117551.html

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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    #56476
    Whirlibird
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    I’d make a comment about the commie guns, but I will not.
    These idiots are the coming threat, minorities aside, politics such as this will be the threat we will face.
    They look like us.
    They live about us.
    And like any other zealot, they believe. Hard and with purpose that will guide them to destroy that which protects them today.

    Do not take them lightly, they are as dangerous as an armed grenade.

    #56482
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    Amazing that anyone would want communism when they know it has failed everywhere it has been tried. Just knowing that communist countries seal their borders to keep their people in whereas capitalist countries seal their borders to keep people out should be a clue.

    #56483
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    L Tecolote
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    Modern US Leftists don’t take clues. They regard logic as a right-wing prejudice. But they’ve been told that the Soviets didn’t know how to do socialism correctly, so genocide doesn’t scare them.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #56484
    Tolik
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    Then death to them all .

    #56485
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    Amazing that anyone would want communism when they know it has failed everywhere

    Unfortunately, that assumes those actively pursuing communism are naive or stupid (not the millenials that have been dumbed down to where they have no clue about the true history and therefore are both naive and stupid). There are those that actually, truly, deeply believe in Marxism, which has been labeled communism for common use because it’s now more associated with socialism since that’s become mainstream, and everybody knows just how wonderful that it because under socialism everybody will be equal!!! [sarc/OFF]

    Seriously, the folks behind Democratic Socialists of America (which used to ADVERTISE its congressional members, but decided that was too much of a liabilty, so it’s now underground again even if shallowly), RevCom.us (Revolutionary Communist Party of the US), etc., truly are dedicated, and neither naive nor stupid. And it’s been that dedication that has enabled the teachers unions and federal education officials to shove a new curriculum down the throats of parents that further groomed our children. Now those children are parents, and they’re just fine with the now-standard curriculum, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and other such manifestations of the ‘movement.” Even Hillary is now portrayed by the left as too far to the “center” (wherever that is) for them. Add the “news” media into the mix, and it’s virtually a done deal now.

    I used to wonder just how it was all being so masterfully orchestrated/controlled, with so many strings being pulled, to get so many different professions, groups, etc., all aligning toward the same end, even both “major” political parties. It’s now come together, and is actually very simple to understand, but few will choose to. So I over-simply just call it fundamental evil, and will leave it at that. Any way it’s portrayed, it’s still very real. Kids now days have no clue what they’re really espousing.

    As to having failed everywhere it’s been tried? That’s part of the facade. It has not. If classic “communist” strategy is well understood, it is evident that it is ever marching forward, as evidenced by the progression of general political beliefs in the US alone, over the past 50 years.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #56524
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    L Tecolote
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    Marxism/Communism/Socialism/etc. “works” (well … for some.) Had you been able to ask Lenin/Stalin/Mao/etc., they’d have confirmed it to you. It’s exilharating to be the head toad in the slime pond — at least until you croak, or your competition does you in. It just doesn’t do quite as well for all the other pond dwellers. But you can gauge how far up on the rock, and out of the slime a given toad expects to get, and how far down in the muck you’re likely to be, by his/her/its commitment to the cause.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #56686
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    sledjockey
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    Hippies are really no more. Antifa and the “alt-left” are one in the same anymore. The real problem with the way that things have progressed in America dives straight to the fact that our failed and disgruntled from the business sector tend to be the ones teaching our kids in public school and colleges. When the kids were in school, I took the time to ask their teachers (and every teacher I run into) how they ended up in that profession. It is really a VERY small group that actually went to school with aspirations of being a teacher. Most of those seemed (in my experiences) to be extreme leftists that were there to “mold” children’s minds into a being of their choosing. The rest all seemed to be failed in real life so they fell into teaching. Of all the teachers I have talked to that are still teaching today I have only come across about a half dozen (all veterans) that actually got into teaching to make the kids into better people. All of them confirmed my hypothesis through their own experiences to the point where I would almost dare to state my beliefs as a theory. It is really sad, imo, that our education system has fallen to these levels of social experimentation above being a place to learn.

    Don’t even get my started on our institutions of “higher” learning. Between them pushing globalization during my MBA program, the crazy liberal agendas pushed down our throats, and even the offhand pro-socialist comments during my IS classes (second Master’s degree) were enough to make me want to vomit.

    Socialism will always fail once the elites run out of the plebian’s money. It has been proven time and time again. Unfortunately, the brainwashed mouth breathers that have sucked down the BS that their teachers, professors, and the media feed them feel that they have to revolt because they are not getting everything that they are entitled to. It is like the “I want my fair share” protesters from Atlas Shrugged has finally come off the page and into my life…..

    Who is John Galt?

    http://ageofdecadence.com

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