February 2, 2017 at 12:13 pm #51122
Like Milo or not…do you think it wise for a conservative ‘provocateur’ to attempt to assert his right of free speech at colleges across the country at this moment in time? Curious.February 2, 2017 at 1:33 pm #51123
YES! I came from a country at age 4 that for the last 59 years doesn’t let the people the right to speak there minds or opinions. I have family members in Cuba in jail for the pass 28 years for speaking there opinion on politics.
The Socialist/Progressive are Communist dictators. They only like there free speech for there views only! They do not want the rest of us to have free speech or liberties. We have to be viewing all of what is happening with open eyes of what will come if we do not stand up to them. Speak up! Tell them what they are (radicals). They will call us every name in the book but they are the radicals that we need to prepare for. My family has lived it! They will not stop till we the people confront them.
But this is our time to stand up to them.February 2, 2017 at 4:36 pm #51125
Tweva, I’ve got very mixed feelings. He has every RIGHT to speak, but there are a whole lot of very emboldened anarchists now cheering their victory. This is EXACTLY like Berkeley in the 60s. The university I graduated from nearly had the last couple of months of the spring semester cancelled because of Berkeley-style riots. An Air Force ROTC buddy of mine in the class behind me had his heart set on becoming a pilot, and already had a pilot contract in his junior year. Then he took a piece of concrete to the forehead from a group of those same types of people rushing down a flight of stairs, and had a head injury that caused a concussion and loss of consciousness. Bingo! Permanently barred from pilot training. The more opportunities “they” have to physically attack and “win,” the bolder they get – and the more destructive.
A personally experienced incident of fallout was indicative of a much broader phenomena that ended up occurring. The local police that were eventually surrounding and “occupying” the campus (countering the OTHER occupiers that were occupying actual buildings, burning priceless rare library collections, causing physical injury to ROTC cadets, etc.), became very troubling. I was in a “safe” building (where ROTC HQ was housed) AFTER all the destruction, and went to the bathroom. As I was standing there doing my thing, I had two uniformed police officers also standing on either side of me. Though in civilian clothes (we were told to stop wearing our uniforms in order to not “provoke” an incident), I was clearly identifiable due to haircut, non-revolutionary clothing, etc., as an ROTC cadet. I will never forget what I heard from one side of me, speaking to the other officer on the other side of me, as if I literally wasn’t there standing at the same wall they were: “F___ing ROTC! If it wasn’t for them, we wouldn’t have to be here!” You want to talk about feeling UNSAFE at that moment, despite being one of only three people in the bathroom, the other two being police officers?!? Our cadet commander and his deputy were walking down a hill to go to their off-campus apartment one evening, CLEARLY in uniform (including the large “wheel” hats – not their flight caps) – when they got a tear gas grenade launched at them from the police on the street just off campus. There were NO protestors around them – just the two of them walking together. And finally, our campus never made national headlines when our students were shot – because ours didn’t die. Kent State had JUST happened, days before. But we had students that became radicalized BECAUSE of the city police, who shot birdshot into the crowds on at least one (reportedly multiple) occasion. And I personally witnessed police fire a teargas grenade into the air intake on top of one of the girls’ dormitories, emptying out the dorm in the early freezing morning – girls pouring out in their nightgowns and bathrobes. There were no demonstrations in the dorm – the police just did it “because….” One girl angrily confronted the police, was beaten with a billy club, taken to jail, and laid there in severe pain for several days before they finally took her to the hospital — with a significant back injury. Once she was treated and finally recovered enough to get back to campus, she was radicalized. I did not personally know her, but vaguely knew who she was. She had been largely sympathetic to the demonstrators before, but afterward she had crossed the line.
At Berkeley, the best I can come up with consistently shows that police stood around and watched the destruction. An entire ONE person was arrested. Certainly the American People did not “win” that battle.
The concern here is not so much that the demonstrators will feel more emboldened – though that’s also a significant issue – but that those tasked with protecting the demonstrators become weary, and also fed up with the daily threats to their own personal safety – and end up resenting and targeting (at least in their minds, though sometimes directly) the very people they’re supposed to protect. They SURE as heck aren’t significantly targeting those that subscribe to Marx’s forcible destruction of the social and political order!
Trump is willing to be the target. And he’s much better than most at what he does (it would seem, at least so far). Let him do his thing. I tend to say leave the Berkeleys and similar venues alone. Who does Milo think he’s going to “convert” there – the tiny group of idiot “Young Republicans” that “invited” him? That’s absurd! Any “conservative” attending Berkeley is just plain stupid. Milo knew (or should have) if he and those surrounding him have any sense. Therefore, that was a provocative act, and quite likely to end exactly as it did.
With all due respect to you, Freedom, your opening statement is EXACTLY why I am not entirely on board with Milo-type speeches in venues like Berkeley.
I have family members in Cuba in jail for the pass 28 years for speaking there opinion on politics.
Look at where it got your relatives, and many others for far longer than even 28 years! Here we are in 2017, and I well remember Castro coming to power. What’s changed? The only significant thing is that our last Pretender-in-Chief handed them all kinds of travel money, contracts, and lots of other rewards, just as he did in the Iran nuke deal. The people of Cuba are little better off today than they have been for my lifetime – and that’s far too long. The demonstrations never changed anything. A few folks tried revolutions, but weren’t backed when it came down to shots actually being fired (Bay of Pigs for example).
I say, Trump was elected to do a job. Let HIM do it. We don’t need independent actors provoking needless violence, and wearying the police any more than they already are with BLM, drugs, murders, and now Berkeley-style riots where REVCOM.US is out in force (see the photo of the marching demonstrators – the “In the name of humanity” sign was pre-printed by REVCOM – Revolutionary Communist Party of the United States). I recommend reading the full article, paying close attention to the self-serving, inflated ego of Milo Whatever-his-last-name-really-is. He’s an amateur trying to be Donald Trump. And he’ll do more harm than good, I fear.
[NOTE: It’s extremely rare to even see a REVCOM.US sign in the US media – when they accidentally show up, fixers in the media quickly remove them from mainstream media sites. I guess they haven’t given the overseas media the memo yet that we don’t print those things and show who’s really behind much of this crap – some professionals, looking for opportunities just like Milo handed them. My 2¢ and I’m stickin’ to it – unless shown otherwise.]
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."
February 2, 2017 at 6:13 pm #51133
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Freedom and GS thank you for your replies.I have been mulling this over for a few days (before this latest incident) to clarify internally my position on this. It does help to listen to others point of view. Currently have little free time to talk to others as life is over full, taking care of an elderly father here on the farm with dementia. So, again, thanks.
Milo, although he has very interesting points, to make seems to be out for the fame, the thrill and attention…the money he will make from his book no doubt helps. Perhaps his motives are more altruistic but it doesn’t at first glance appear so. He is interesting to listen to and I can certainly understand why he riles liberal young people (especially those that do not have fully formed and informed ideas of their own).
GS you put my thoughts much more clearly than I am able to do myself. I see Freedom’s point, but in this case do not believe fanning the flames as he is doing on his ‘Faggot’ tour, helps the country at all. And, it certainly doesn’t help the body politics mindframe…or in the end Trump (whom he is said to support and calls his ‘Daddy’). Sometimes it is better to step away and make one’s point(s) and opinion in or using another venue and tone. Here Freedom, at least for now, we in the US do have that option.
California is a beautiful state. I don’t wish any of my fellows harm. But sometimes I wonder why it hasn’t already cracked off the continent and sunk – and, not from an earthquake.February 2, 2017 at 7:04 pm #51134
Tweva, Maybe my opinion is a little stronger because of what I learned from my father. He always told me to speak up because he didn’t and many Cubans didn’t because they didn’t want to fan the flames. Well it is now 59 years. I do not agree on all the opinions of Milo but I think that all Universities need to protect all ideas no matter how radical it is to others. What is radical to me maybe not to you and what is radical to 99% is not radical to 1% which needs to be protected. That is true freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is the most important freedom we have so when the left or the right tries to stop others from there ideas they need to be arrested.
Many of these people like Milo claim they are part of the Trump ideas but I don’t think so. I believe Trump is doing what he said he was going to do. I still can’t believe he is doing many of these things. But one thing I can tell all of you is that we stayed silent for 8 years and it is time to not stay silent. We need to speak up when they lie, when they confront us, when they call us raciest, when they spray a girl with mace on her face just because she is a Trump supporter. We need to take back our schools(very important since this is were Socialist are indoctrinating our children).
We need to understand history. GS, you are right this has happen in the passed. This will keep happening till they take over. Socialist will never give up.February 2, 2017 at 7:42 pm #51135
Like Trump or not isn’t really the issue with California anymore. If we has a Muslim state on the other side of the border we would have a fortified border with the military guarding it. We can build a wall with Mexico right now and control our immigration. What the U.S. Can’t do however is change the demographics. Since it’s a liberal Marxist paradise with color what I’d suggest. Laugh if you will….
We sell California to Mexico. Lock stock and barrel or to the highest bidder. Minimum bid to start at $10 trillion. Cash oil gold. Including the return of all illegal Mexican immigrants to the US for the last 50 years. Let the drug cartels deal with the Berkley kids. Lol. Make La Rasa an offer they can’t refuse.
February 2, 2017 at 8:03 pm #51138
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A most enthusiastic ‘second’ to that motion, and every part of it except the “cash” part – it’s worthless, unless immediately converted to one of the other real assets. But you know that, of course.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."February 2, 2017 at 8:26 pm #51139
I’m with Freedom on this one.
The silent majority has been silent much too long. We have allowed these liberal retards to run everything too long. We have been force fed their ideals and beliefs.
Time to discredit these universities that preach the commie ideal, defend them if they aren’t teaching all viewpoints.
Other BS liberal arts degrees? No longer available for grants/loans. Simply because there is no chance these idiots will get a job to pay off their “education”.
They don’t want to hear something that offends them? Too bad. We survived Carter, Clinton and Zero. Time to hear some things that may scorch your sensitive little ears and egos.
Preach it Milo.
Would rather listen to Tomi Lohren, but I’ll take what I can get.February 3, 2017 at 12:46 am #51151
I don’t disagree with Freedom for a moment about speaking out. There’s no battle line here. I simply don’t agree that high-profile speeches by highly controversial people in places like Berkeley are wise. There’s a huge difference. It actually detracts from “our” message because the focus is then on the revolutionaries. Now look what’s leading the news media (along with Trump this, Trump that, Trump Australia, Trump Iran, whatever Trump). Does ANYONE have any idea what Milo was going to even say last night? Nope. That word doesn’t get out. So what was won? If Milo wants to publish that stuff, great! But the “birthplace of the free speech movement” – as UC Berkeley is being called – was NEVER about free speech, and always using violence to back up their position. It started in the 1960s with Martin Meyerson and the Berkeley “unrest.” Then New York hired him to preside over the State University of NY at Buffalo, where that campus similarly erupted in violence. Berkeley has been the incubator of violent, far left protest for a half century. The current UC president is none other than Janet Napolitano (remember when the greatest threat to the United States was people like military veterans, according to DHS under her watch?). UCB is that last place anyone should expect to go to be allowed to speak freely – or convert anybody. How many know that they tried to charge the on-campus Young Republicans $10,000 for security coverage for Milo’s speech, but graciously lowered that to only $6,000? The State pays for security when left wing events happen, but they charge the right wing big bucks in their first line attempt to deter them from even bringing such speakers in to be heard. And they escorted him off post when it got terribly (and dangerously) ugly – yet arrested one single person following looting of a Starbucks, Molotov cocktails, massive glass breakage, and injuries to people wanting to hear the speech. That kind of stuff isn’t worth the faintly heard (if at all) cries for freedom of speech.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."February 3, 2017 at 3:08 am #51156
GS Did you know that Milo is 100% guy, he is a libertarian. He is not a white supremacist! Not close. I am not really sure what he believes in. Says he’s Conservative. What I have read he is all over the place on his views.
I just think that this is all about freedom of speech case.February 3, 2017 at 3:48 am #51158
He is gay. He is not all over the place. Watch this youtube video on Dace Rubin on Aethism or on Donald Trump with Dave Rubin. This will give you a clear picture of him before he hyped it up and started on his faggot tour, his words not mine. I do admire his quick thinking, thought and ability to express himself.February 3, 2017 at 4:39 pm #51159
Milo a defector from the lgbt community. I see now, I see. He’s star power to the libs. The Berkley shock troops and tree sitters just can’t stand the sight of him. It’s a real mob mentality with these students. Their heroes are the uni bomber and monkey wrenchers. It’s funny Milo being called a Nazi, The superiority of the right totally infuriates them. Even . Chucky fake tears Schumer is being protested on at his Brooklyn apartment. Weakness spawns violence.
February 4, 2017 at 12:38 am #51165
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Guy (typo that initially had me scratching my head) or gay, I don’t really care. But until just now I wasn’t aware of his sexual orientation, nor had I been aware of the reported fact that he claims his Jewish roots through his mother, though also claims to be a practicing Catholic. As a result, I’m sitting here laughing my butt off at the absurdity of it all. Then reality is creeping back in, and the laughter begins to die off…. Yes – that’s actually funny about the so-called “birthplace of free speech” (which Berkeley IS NOT – it was never about free speech unless it was radical leftist speech). I grew up and went to college in the 60s, and remember all too well about Berkeley, the UC chancellor (Martin Meyerson), and what Meyerson imported into the NY State system once they got rid of him in California. The irony would be delicious and hilarious – IF the left acknowledged the facts. But they don’t. But what this really is, is about a defector from the LGBTQFMTWThFSS crowd who’s also giving Jews like Bernardine Dohrn and others a bad name. That MUST be stopped! LOL! The late 60s and 70s are back in full force!!!! Wheeeeeeee!
Actually, whatever else Milo Yiannopoulos is, he’s a self-serving narcissist making a bundle of money off all his publicity. And thus he’s not worth my time. What’s important is to realize what’s REALLY going on, and that was pointed out by Malgus in his post elsewhere recently ( http://community.shtfschool.com/forums/topic/1st-feb-2017-selcos-latest-article/#post-51128 ). Now THAT is important, and yes, it really IS worth the time to read it. It’s either a wonderful reminder of some details some of us may have forgotten, or it’s an education you couldn’t pay money to get (because it isn’t being taught anywhere). Those folks are still around, training others, and getting better by the decade. Milo? And excuse for media coverage for whoever wants it.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."February 9, 2017 at 5:39 pm #51205
I have been out of the loop for a bit and am just catching up. I love Milo and hope he goes back to Berkeley to speak. The campus and city police will not be able to have any excuses that they didn’t realize how much security was needed. If Milo doesn’t speak we might as well all just shut up and stay home when the next elections roll along. Being silent and afraid is basically giving up. Milo is the perfect one to speak up to the crazies because he doesn’t fit their agenda at all. In their world he has to be a liberal on account he’s young and he’s gay, same as they expect all blacks to be liberal too. They are especially savage to people like him. Milo is a great role model for other young people to know that it is OK to be a conservative.February 9, 2017 at 6:36 pm #51208
“Free Speech” is only for students and professors and liberal media. All the rest of us must remain silent and obey…
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