August 27, 2015 at 7:11 am #43419
A lot of exceptionally interesting information contained in this article. Regardless of your opinion on the current asylum seeker situation, these are the people that are ‘bugging out’ for real, so a lot can be learnt from their stories and methods…August 27, 2015 at 1:15 pm #43423
Interesting article. The smart phones make sense for those migrants fleeing their homelands but in a true collapse the phones may or may not work. I only have a flip phone myself that I buy minutes for on account service is iffy where I live and I don’t want to pay for service I won’t get. My wife has a smart phone but she travels a lot. In fact service is iffy or non-existent in probably half of Vermont. Urban/suburban tourists are often stunned when they find themselves without cell service up here. Sometimes happy stunned to be disconnected from the world for a bit and sometimes unhappy stunned. The mountainous terrain makes it tough to provide coverage in rural areas. Every so often I’ll be somewhere that loses my Sirius radio connectivity even. I don’t know what it is like elsewhere in the country but I suggest folks not be too reliant upon smart phones for bugging out purposes.August 27, 2015 at 1:31 pm #43424
Good information , and I guess one of the biggest factors is where you are in the world and where your thinking of going . As of now , Europe is rapidly becoming immigrant unfriendly , because they are causing too many problems on too many levels . The US and Canada are at present still open , come SHTF that could change . You dont want to be moving into an area where your not welcome by the population , could be hazardous to your health .August 27, 2015 at 2:16 pm #43427
I fully agree on the smart phones. We recently did a cross-country trip that ended up as a roughly 5000 mile loop across the southern US, then up through the mountains starting in Albuquerque, and eventually back across Wyoming, and back down. A very large percentage of the time we could only make calls due to roaming agreements our carrier has with other carriers. But data wasn’t available (i.e. no Google Maps, no other internet sites, etc.). Picture messages were, of course, out of the question. And we’re with one of the better known companies. Once you get out in the wide open spaces (and we were on the Interstates almost the entire way), cell service for data is not like downtown big cities. I know some carriers are better than ours in that regard, but it was a real eye opener for us. So even if the cell phones are working, anything beyond a voice call may not make it at all.
And Tolik has a good point about bugging INTO an area where nobody knows you. That may not be a comfortable situation, to say the least. Planning is everything – and perhaps making contacts (and friends) with those in chosen areas would be a good idea ahead of time.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."August 27, 2015 at 3:54 pm #43428
Toby C, thanks for sharing the article. I often keep my eye out for these scenarios to help inform what I’m currently doing for tweaking prepping efforts. You just never know where a good idea might come from…August 27, 2015 at 5:23 pm #43430
That it is not a good thing to be a stranger in a time of crisis is an understatement. Sometimes people can live somewhere for a long time and still be strangers. The folks we bought our place from were here 14 years and I have yet to meet anyone that knew them other than the people directly across the road, and even those neighbors were at best casual acquaintances. When one of my brothers died in his home a couple years ago, the day after the funeral I went to a couple neighbors to leave my contact info and to let them know that nobody should be at the house. This was a suburban community where the houses were on small lots. None of the neighbors even knew he died and it was apparent none of them knew him despite him having been there for 3 years. Being it was an unattended death (diabetes), I’m thinking how could the neighborhood not have noticed the police cars for the initial wellness check that a friend of his requested, and then the police being there for however long it took for the coroner’s office people to arrive, and finally the ambulance to take him away, yet the neighbors missed it entirely.August 27, 2015 at 5:28 pm #43431
Tolik, that’s a great point. my good friend Rory Miller is often qoted as saying “Don’t run away from danger, run towards safety”. Bugging out and knowing where NOT to go is important information and rapid and dynamic changes in these situations will constantly occur.August 27, 2015 at 8:11 pm #43434
That would be where I live MB. A lot of communities here have invisible walls. It’s been very difficult to explain to our ex relatives why it is this way. The closest way I’ve come is to say we live in a “gated community”. We don’t interfere with people, we don’t want to make friends. We don’t want to make enemies. Like the three monkeys. It must have been handed down from the ww2 greatest generation. Loose lips sink ships. Clam up if people ask to many questions. When all our relatives put lists of friends and their pictures on Facebook . We never did. When they went to electronic banking we stayed offline. Secrets are meant to be kept. Gossip is to be avoided. Welcome to Little Tall Island.August 27, 2015 at 11:35 pm #43438
I hear what you are saying Brulen, but developing relationships with those around you now may prove critical at some future point. No man is an island unto himself (or something like that). Fortunately for me, I like having people stop by to say hello, or doing the same myself. I regularly wander across the road to visit or wander next door to say hi. I lend a hand as and where I can without being asked. If I go for a walk and someone is out in their yard, I’ll stop and introduce myself if I don’t already know them, and its never hard to find something in common with people to talk about.August 28, 2015 at 12:32 am #43441
Having a plan A and plan B is important , but having a plan C&D as well .
” All plans fall apart at first contact with the enemy ”
That also applies to a SHTF situation on any level . I think the ones that are going to have the best chance of making it are the ones that can be flexible and roll with the punches as they come . Things may change by the hour , being able to adapt to those changes will be a challenge . The bigger the group , the more challenging that will be , as everybody will have their own ideas of what is best , and some people will handle pressure and adversity better than others .August 28, 2015 at 12:50 am #43444
I agree Tolik. Regretfully we aren’t likely to know who can handle adversity and pressure well, nor who can adapt quickly. Sometimes we can reasonably guess ahead of time, but we can’t always know what people are made of until they are tested. This is why it is good to be an observant people watcher. Lots of clues can be picked up.August 29, 2015 at 3:13 pm #43477
Beats me why they want to get to Germany. They like blondes. German women will be dieing their hair dark like the Norwegians. This will be a major social disruption. Would Germany still be considered a Christian country? The churches will help the migrants most.August 29, 2015 at 3:22 pm #43480
Beats me why they want to get to Germany. They like blondes. German women will be dieing their hair dark like the Norwegians. This will be a major social disruption.
A few countries ( including us ) need a leader with some balls like Putin , that will simply round them up , and kick them out . Then put the military on the border ………….problem solved , many problems solved . This should be a warning about collectivism , or backdoor Communism . I was talking to an Irish immigrant the other day that was working here on a green card , hell of a nice guy , but he was telling me some real horror stories about how the Marxist EU works …………………and it was frightening !!!!!!!! EU nations have NO sovereignty , and its almost impossible to get rid of undesirables without paying them to leave . Italy is putting the dirtbags in a barracks , and trying to make things so miserable for them that they leave on their own . Like at the end of WW1 and WW2 , Germany is going to end up getting what it deserves , as they helped to create the problem in the first place . Like in pro sports , key players will only be top dog for so long .The Krauts should probably stick with what they do best , which is design and build superior products , world politics is not a strong point , and has rarely turned out good for them . The EU is crumbling from within , yet another example that Communism doesnt work ……..anywhere .August 29, 2015 at 3:31 pm #43482
Hungary is building a fence. They seem serious. Germany ha. Hillary used the nazi boxcar to describe Trump’s plan. Europe appears incapable of stopping the invasion. Way to decadent these days and spoiled by socialism. When the financial crisis hit them though they may change their tune.August 29, 2015 at 3:49 pm #43483
Hungary is building a fence. They seem serious. Germany ha. Hillary used the nazi boxcar to describe Trump’s plan. Europe appears incapable of stopping the invasion. Way to decadent these days and spoiled by socialism. When the financial crisis hit them though they may change their tune.
Aye that , Clinton uses a Nazi boxcar to describe Trump , while her plan for the nation is like one of Stalins boxcars used to send political prisoners to a gulag …………..pot calling kettle black . I know how dangerous Clinton is , but I dont think Trump is trustworthy either , like all of them , his ethics are too flexible . I dont have any faith at all that he will defend the Constitution , his stand on individual property rights needs to be seriously looked at , his actions prove that he is an eminent domain guy .
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