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    Malgus
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    Just Shoot: The Mindset Responsible for Turning Search Warrants into Death Warrants, and SWAT Teams into Death Squads

    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/just_shoot_the_mindset_responsible_for_turning_search_warrants_into_de

    Guys and gals, this article nails it…

    Thus, each time we as a rational, reasoning, free-minded people fail to be outraged by government wrongdoing—whether it’s the SWAT team raids that go awry, the senseless shootings of unarmed citizens, the stockpiling of military weapons and ammunition by government agencies (including small-town police), the unapologetic misuse of our taxpayer dollars for graft and pork, the incarceration of our fellow citizens in forced labor prisons, etc.—we become accomplices in bringing about our own downfall.

    There’s certainly no shortage of things to be outraged about, starting with this dangerous mindset that has come to dominate law enforcement and the courts that protecting the lives and safety of police officers (of all stripes) is more important than the lives and safety of the citizenry. This is true even if it means that greater numbers of innocent civilians will get hurt or killed (police kill roughly five times more often than they are killed), police might become laws unto themselves, and the Constitution will be sidestepped, or worse disregarded, at every turn.

    The whole article is well worth your time. I urge you all to read it.

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #15595
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    This aticle is accurate unfortunately there isn’t a solution given at the end. The fact is the Attorney General of each state needs to press charges against these criminals whenever it happens. Then they will stop.

    #15634
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    Yep, you’re right. This article is definitely on point. I know I for one don’t have many uses for what passes as a police officer these days. Most I come across are either blatant cowards, semi-morons or both.

    Just last night, for example, a patient came in to my ER by ambulance with a police escort who was reported to us by county radio as “combative”. He came in by stretcher, handcuffed. He was 72. He was having chest pain and had had several heart attacks already. The excuse the “officer” gave me was for “safety”. I don’t know who’s safety he was talking about because the cop was a roid-head looking dude and the poor old guy’s wrist has a fresh new skin tear. We, however, used our words and he was perfectly appropriate with us.

    Either way, reports were filed (nothing will be done) and we let the cop know in no uncertain terms that he’s a p****, and the EMS crew are a couple of j***a**** for letting it happen. It’s not the first instance of coward, moronic cops I’ve witnessed and it won’t be the last.

    #15678
    Whirlibird
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    Ah yes, another one sided dig at LE by someone who hasn’t been there or done that.

    #15683
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Whirlibird wrote:</div>Ah yes, another one sided dig at LE by someone who hasn’t been there or done that.

    Oh, I see… only someone who puts on a tin star has the right to opine about the egregious actions of those wearing tin stars?

    What a load of horse-****. The citizenry has every right to tell those servants of the citizenry how to act, same as the citizenry is served by the military and therefore, has every right to tell them how to act as well…

    Your reply reeks of hubris and arrogance… more “US” versus “THEM”… perhaps you would be more content over at PoliceOne referring to the citizenry as “mundanes”?

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #15686
    Whirlibird
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    Officers are told how to act.
    By the citizens, the city councils, county commissioners, and many others.
    Its even in the policy and procedure manuals, look to those for many of the issues.

    My response is that again we have a one sided witch hunt going on, no other opinions or explaination for these happenings is given. That its all LE’s fault.

    In so many of these articles , the author seems to expect officers to stupidly put their lives at risk when a bit of caution is appropriate.

    “Why did they shoot him, he was a good kid, he wouldn’t have used that gun he had been pointing at his ex girlfriend for hours”. He wouldn’t have shot those officers he pointed the gun at.

    All LE is lumped together, in these articles, be they peace officers, swat or whatever.
    Its the same as when DiFi lumps all patriots, militia nitwits, preppers, and the oklahoma bombers together.

    I said been there done that, dang right.
    Take offense at that? Why?

    Like everything in life, there’s perspective. Without that perspective, that knowledge of what is really going on, what really happened, how fast everything happens, it is nothing but opinion.

    Just like you, and the authors, I have an opinion, mine is just tempered by my experiences. By having served high risk warrants, by having investigated child sexual assaults, by having to play the “Lone Ranger” instead of waiting for backup to arrive in 30 minutes.
    Sometimes it takes a long time to get all the facts and evidence together, by then everyone seems to have an opinion, and all too often based on rumor and stories rather than facts and evidence.

    There’s a reason I don’t get involved in most discussions about LE abuses and investigations, because I’ve been a part of them, I know how the facts are commonly twisted by the media, the anti-LE types, and even the cops. Everyone twists the facts to fit their agenda and beliefs.

    Show me the facts and if the officer committed a crime, intentionally broke the law, went beyond the law and I’ll be the first with the rope. But I demand facts not opinions and guesswork.

    Hubris and arrogance? As one who was a part of a complaint by officers that got a corrupt chief fired, we tried to get him jailed but the DA refused to prosecute, who stood up to a neighboring chief and the DA in court, in favor of the suspect, am I arrogant about what I did? You tell me if I should be or not.

    You show me one of these articles where all the facts and information is given and we all can have an informed opinion and make the appropriate decisions and choices from there.

    You will also note that I made no personal attack on anyone here.
    My comment was on the article (s).

    #15698
    Malgus
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    Oh, GAME ON.

    Officers are told how to act.
    By the citizens, the city councils, county commissioners, and many others.
    Its even in the policy and procedure manuals, look to those for many of the issues.

    So, once again it’s our fault? Or do you mean “the manuals” when you refer to “those”? Be more clear.

    And you seem to be forgetting the concept of “delegation of authority”. Since one cannot give that which they do not possess, it stands to reason that ALL power comes from the citizenry. We allow others to act in our stead because we do not have the time to to do everything ourselves. By delegating others to act in our stead with our power, this in no way negates nor diminishes that power. Therefore, if “LEO’s” are allowed to have fully automatic weapons, explosives, chemical weapons, armored vehicles with gun ports, body armor and night-vision equipped precision rifles, then the citizenry is entitled to those things as well. Police are NOT holy avengers, nor are they due any special dispensation whatsoever – they are themselves citizens who are merely performing a service that we ourselves do not have the time to do ourselves. Yet, somewhere along the line, the fiction was created that police are the ONLY ones permitted to do that – that have that power. What a load of horse-****.

    Like everything in life, there’s perspective. Without that perspective, that knowledge of what is really going on, what really happened, how fast everything happens, it is nothing but opinion.

    Relativistic hogwash designed to obfuscate the real issue, which is specifically why SWAT teams were only used 3,000 times nationwide when they were first implemented back in the late 70’s/early 80’s, and over FIFTY THOUSAND times as of last year. For things as trivial as breaking up a card game or nonpayment of parking tickets.

    A warrant, which is the usual phony-baloney reason why SWAT is usually deployed (serving those warrants, issued by a Judge based on the word of a crackhead CI, right?), is nothing more than a piece of paper signed by a Judge that says “I want to see this guy in my courtroom as soon as you can go fetch him”. That’s it. And moreover, you know that’s all it is. Deploying a bunch of adrenaline junkies dressed like ninjas and equipped with explosives, armor and automatic weapons for some parking tickets or to break up a card game is indefensible, and you know that too.

    Just like you, and the authors, I have an opinion, mine is just tempered by my experiences. By having served high risk warrants, by having investigated child sexual assaults, by having to play the “Lone Ranger” instead of waiting for backup to arrive in 30 minutes. Sometimes it takes a long time to get all the facts and evidence together, by then everyone seems to have an opinion, and all too often based on rumor and stories rather than facts and evidence.

    You’re not the only one here with experience. You seem to forget whom you are talking to. But that experience you and I have does not negate the opinion of anyone else. The police often withhold critical information, then turn around and blame others for having an opinion without having all the “facts” that they themselves are unwilling to release…

    Nice try.

    Show me the facts and if the officer committed a crime, intentionally broke the law, went beyond the law and I’ll be the first with the rope. But I demand facts not opinions and guesswork.

    Again, nice try. You and I both know that anyone who goes against The Brotherhood will become a pariah. Persona Non Grata. Left hanging when you need it most because you will be viewed as a snitch at best and a turncoat at worst. Stand against The Brotherhood and your career is effectively over.

    Hubris and arrogance? As one who was a part of a complaint by officers that got a corrupt chief fired, we tried to get him jailed but the DA refused to prosecute, who stood up to a neighboring chief and the DA in court, in favor of the suspect, am I arrogant about what I did? You tell me if I should be or not.

    Yeah, hubris and arrogance. I called it and I stand by it. And you are confusing two different things – the first being the hubris and arrogance of your comment about those not having “been there and done that” not having the right to an opinion about the egregious actions of our overly-militarized police, or allowing them their opinion, but pooh-poohing it as not legitimate because they don’t do what you do for a living…

    And that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you went against The Brotherhood. I went against our own as well, standing against a fellow MP NCO at his Court Martial because he sexually assaulted one of my troops, then lied about it, then tried to intimidate the female he sexually assaulted into silence. For that, I was rendered Persona Non Grata. But, its not like I gave a **** because I was short and there was very little they could do to prevent me retiring. I did, however, get hosed on a pretty prestigious award – the Meritorious Service Medal – as payback for standing against one of our own. Not like I cared about that, either… one of those, plus 5 bucks, will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. To me, it was the right thing to do.

    But, again, you standing against your own has jack and **** to do with your original statement, and Jack left town.

    You show me one of these articles where all the facts and information is given and we all can have an informed opinion and make the appropriate decisions and choices from there.

    You show me where it’s okay to blow a toddler’s face off and paralyze him with a grenade, as is what happened in Atlanta recently.. defend that. Go on, I double dog dare you… I’m begging you try and defend it…


    You will also note that I made no personal attack on anyone here.
    My comment was on the article (s).

    Maybe not anyone here, but your comment sure wasn’t about the article. Your comment – “Ah yes, another one sided dig at LE by someone who hasn’t been there or done that.” has nothing to do with the article (save to refer to it as a “dig”) and slams/attacks the author of the article (which you probably didn’t read anyway, otherwise you would have cited chapter and verse and rebutted specific points, which you didn’t) for not having “been there and done that”… and yeah, that is arrogant as hell, virtually clogged with hubris. Who are YOU to tell someone that their opinion isn’t legitimate?

    And insinuating that I “attacked” you? It’s not an attack when it’s true. And your “them vs us” attitude goes directly to the problem – that cops think they are different, superior and better than everyone else simply by virtue of wearing a tin star…

    Your move.

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #15707
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    Ha ha ok you two simmer down. There is plenty of reason for everyone to have valid opinions. I share a lot of Malgus’s feelings but also understand Whirlybird.
    Here’s the realities of where things are. We have a sick society with sick people. Some of them end up as President and others as cops. Each profession attracts certain types of people that have undesirable traits that they can use to exploit others. Unfortunately cops have guns and authority over other people and the bad seeds can be really bad actors.

    Unfortunately police work attracts some guys that should not have any power over other people and they never would if the job did not exist. These guys would be parking lot attendants at best.

    #15712
    Malgus
    Malgus
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    Okay, okay…

    Me smokum peace pipe with Whirl… we heap big friends now.

    It’s just that I feel very passionately about certain things. One of them is not only the abuse of power, but the separatist mentality and excusing it all away… those responsible should be held accountable, but they’re not.

    Probably the most infuriating thing is the lack of humility. They should be humble, glad that they have the opportunity to serve the greater good. But what we’re seeing is the exact opposite.

    Lord Acton was right. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely… What I am seeing is them seeking more and greater power and authority over us poor proles, especially when it comes to obtaining “free” heavily armored vehicles, weps capable drones and military grade weapons… that they can say these things are “necessary” and keep a straight face just illustrates their sociopathic tendencies…

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #15740
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    Malgus, I share your righteous indignation. I see this as another sign of moral decay in America and I’m expecting it to become much worse. The social fabric of shared values and beliefs is tearing. It has been an ongoing process for 50 years, maybe more. It just seems like we have really pickup a lot of speed. It’s not the fall that kills ya, it’s stopping at the bottom.

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