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  • #48812
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    Freedom,

    With all due respect, I’d like to make sure I’ve I’ve got this straight. In order to send a message to the Republican insiders/establishment if they run a 3rd party candidate, which you think would put Hillary in the White House, you’d then help her get a majority in both houses of Congress by not voting for her opposition, which would not just give her 4-8 years of free reign. But far more importantly, it would give her the ability to appoint a minimum of two, and possibly four or more anti-2nd Amendment Supreme Court justices, justices that don’t know the difference between a person’s “gender identity” and the person’s physical plumbing, justices that would overturn all manner of legal precedent that has stood for decades if not centuries, justices that look to international law and other nations’ constitution for their guidance, etc., etc., etc. Tell me how that makes any sense at all – other than to give you the satisfaction of sending a protest message by not voting. I don’t get it. Am I not understanding you correctly or something?

    #48813
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    Updated. ….. Any way you look at it the country seems to be headed toward a dictatorship. The media is having an internal struggle with its conscience whether to tell people. Bernie may be the last hope for the democrats. If Hillary the corrupt wins their nomination they could split in two, or more fragments. Co-president Bill is an impossibility. Let them riot and eat cake. After Obama’s mess, and Hilary’s, we have to wonder if the democrats shouldn’t have a purge.

    *A Bolshevik style purge, not the V kind.

    Would they?
    Could they?
    Should they?

    Their own party may be more of a threat to democrat munchkins if Hillary becomes dictator than the insipid republicans.

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    #48835
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    GS, YES and YES! If the GOP whats to do things as dictators then we the people need to make sure they get all of it! The way I see it by being dictators it is the same thing as communism. I am a Cuban American which Cuba for over 55 years has been a Communist country right! No wrong! There is NO real communism! It is called DICTATORSHIP! So dictatorship from the left or right is the same! Still dictatorship of the people.

    So what you are telling me is that well it is better to have a little right wing dictatorship then have a left dictatorship! NO all dictatorship is bad for the people. When the vote of the people doesn’t count or the elites are all day thinking of how to take down the peoples will of there vote to put in power what the GOP house wants that is a dictatorship period! No better then the other side.

    Example, in the future the Democrats are in the same boat as the elite GOP are today well then they will say that remember when they did it to us. Lets do the same move to the GOP! So now dictatorship will never end. The two side will keep using the same system and the peoples vote will never count again.

    The elite GOP first started with there bull about Trump can’t win against Hillary, well Trump is now 45 to 42 Hillary on two national polls and Trump is just starting.

    Do you really think that a third party will get more then 10 to 15% and what about if and this is a big IF that Hillary gets 51% because the third party hit Trump in the debates so hard that Hillary just sits back and let them do the job for her.

    So these right wing dictator GOP group may be the reason that we will have a Hillary president and the house will never have a chance to do there dictatorship move. So to me the move and gamble on the third party is a reason to end the GOP as a party when they gamble with the future of the country.

    So YES if they do a third party I and all of my GOP friend that I have talked to are saying YES vote all of them out because they are the real problem. Dictators thinking all day on how to get there way over the peoples vote.

    #48841
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    So if you want Trump, then why stay home? You can still go vote for JUST Trump on Election Day, thereby at least canceling out a Hillary vote. Unseen by many thus far is the fact that Gary Johnson is running again under the Libertarian banner, and in a recent poll he actually got 10% of the votes in a 3-way ballot! Even without Mitt having any success at running a 3rd party candidate, Johnson MIGHT draw enough disaffected voters away from Trump and Clinton to throw it into the House anyway – long shot, yes, but so were Sanders and Trump. And this isn’t like any previous election. Who EVER thought Sanders would pose a significant threat to Clinton, or that Trump would make it this far? But they did.

    I have no argument with you on communism vs. dictatorship. We’re on the same page there. But if Clinton wins the presidency, she gets to affect the makeup of the Supreme Court for much longer than many of us will be alive. Look at the margin in Kentucky this past Tuesday – only one vote in every OTHER precinct made the difference for Clinton (3696 precincts but only 1924 votes difference between those two candidates – and 7% of those actually voting, voted for someone OTHER than Clinton or Sanders.

    Cuban American lives matter – as long as they still vote. Yes, you may only slow down the destructive process both parties are engaging in, but you don’t know what might happen in the future if you’ve helped to delay the final takeover. Just look what tiny little Vermont accomplished with the GMO issue, when huge California couldn’t get it done, despite PepsiCo and Monsanto’s money. It ain’t over ’til it’s over, my friend. But give up now, and you’ve voted for the worst of the worst, thereby helping Trump be stripped of the opportunity to even try.

    #48842
    Tolik
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    What happens to Communist countries and Dictatorships ? BLOOD ! , From the Roman Empire to the USSR , Communism doesnt work , and it inevitably implodes , North Korea is only still alive because China keeps it propped up ………..for how much longer , who knows . China is going more Socialist as the old guard dies off . Dictatorships ? They all fall , usually from arrogant wars that they cant win ( Nazi Germany ) , and are either overthrown by their own people , by the way , Monarchy’s are a form of dictatorship ( the Tsar , Franz Joseph , etc . all dictators by birth ) England got it right , by keeping their role traditional , rather than any actual power . The Roman Empire was destroyed by an influx of foreign peoples , both inside and outside their ranks . I see similarities between us , the Roman Empire and the USSR ………………..problem is , it could go either way , we could get something better , like our own Revolution accomplished , or we could get something worse , like the Russian revolution . Either way , those in power when it goes down , end up dead or vanquished in exile . Dead is a preferable solution , as Napoleon demonstrated with his coming back from exile and starting trouble again . Only good news ( if you can call it that ) is history proves , even the best laid plans by individuals and governments , go to crap because of human nature . Greed , Power , Liberty , or Freedom . Nothing will stay permanent . Thats what we are , for better or worse . We cant change it . Thats why one world government , will never work or come to pass …………….except in science fiction .

    #48843
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    GS, 90% of Cuban Americans are Republicans and are for the right to vote. What I am saying is if the GOP establishment has a third party candidate to try to have a very small chance of having there way to stop Trump by a house vote for a candidate which may end badly because Hillary still may win since many Republicans may stay home and some may vote for the third party candidate but Hillary liberals will still vote for her and she will win. So the third party will elect Hillary.

    I personally will vote for Trump but may not vote the house and senate votes because of there move to stop Trump and because I will know that Hillary will win. I believe that many will do this if they try the third party idea.

    A third party idea will have a negative on the GOP establishment all the way down the list(House and Senate).

    The best thing the GOP needs to do is back Trump and hope for the best.

    #48845
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    Freedom, we’re in substantial agreement then. I still don’t want Trump having to deal with a Democrat Congress, however. Even a LITTLE pseudo-party unity among so-called Republicans, allowing Trump to possibly get SOME decent legislative changes through Congress, would be better than constant gridlock with a Democrat Congress. And in my case, I’ve actually got a brand new choice for a U.S. Representative (mine’s retiring – HOORAY!), and an opportunity to get rid of one of our two U.S. Senators. That happens in my state this coming Tuesday – and you can BET I’m going to be voting in those two races! Come November, my votes for the two congressional offices in play will absolutely be Republican, regardless of who’s there – just so there’s a better chance of having people with the same party label in Congress in case Trump becomes President. And if Billary wins it, I absolutely want at least SOME opposition in Congress against her, even though I don’t trust the Republican Party dictators to generally do the right thing. I just know that the Democrats now days will most certainly always do the worst thing.

    Make no mistake – I was raised Republican, began supporting Republican candidates as soon as I was capable of studying the issues and making up my own mind, and walked neighborhoods, manned phone banks, etc., in support of Republican candidates. The Party left me – I did not leave the Party. To be honest, the last Republican I truly supported was Barry Goldwater. I was wowed by Reagan, particularly with his desire to do away with the Department of Education – and he did not. Since Reagan, I have not considered myself a Republican. If we ever get nuked by Iran or North Korea, my fantasy is that they’d lob just one device over here, that it would be during a State of the Union address with the entire Congress, President, VP, the Supreme Court, and tons of agency heads all present, and that it would detonate on contact with the Capitol Dome. Poof! Mighty reset. Hopefully it would take out everyone in the order of succession. At least maybe then we’d end up with something like the last episode or two of the old TV series, “Jericho,” with competing regional governments, including one headquartered in Texas. And we could start over from there. But then I also have fantasies of becoming a millionaire (preferably more), and moving to a far more ideal place then we’re stuck now, where we could ramp up our SHTF preps to a level far better than we can currently afford. Ahhhh … dreams …..

    #48846
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    GS, My dreams is the same as your fantasies of becoming a millionaire to ramp up my SHTF preps. Trump is hated by the two sides(parties) so Trump if elected will have to deal with the two. Trump is a negotiator that will make deals happen that you or I may not always like but I think he will get thing done. Hillary will not get anything done.

    I also have been a Republican since I turned 18 and am now 58.

    #48851
    Tolik
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    Being originally from Arizona , Goldwater was good …………….then he got lazy , he was replaced at election time , it was pretty easy for the opposition actually …………..all they did was be vocal about his attendance record , you see , he pretty much stopped showing up for work ……….at AZ taxpayers expense . Everybody had the same question . What was he doing up there all that time ? The answer …………..nothing . The solution ………elect somebody else . I still remember the ads ” Where is Barry ? ” . Too bad , because he was good for awhile . If Trump keeps his word , he will pull an Obama , and EO them to death .

    #48852
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    I was a Goldwater for President supporter back in the 60s when he ran – still have the campaign button. I suspect in his later years he was suffering some form of dementia (Alzheimer’s??). He wasn’t the same person anymore. The Goldwater I like to remember is the Goldwater that wanted to end the war quickly and decisively; the one that believed that – whether socially or morally popular – if you owned a private business you could decide who you wanted to serve. But he was caricatured as a war monger ready to start nuclear WWIII, a racist, etc. He was none of those. When a reporter later asked him how he felt when LBJ bombed Hanoi, after having used that against Goldwater in the campaign, he responded, “In his heart, he knew I was right.” I about fell out of my chair laughing – perfect response. Some of his late-life thought processes are of no consequence to me – it was his 1960s and 70s positions that I choose to remember. Quite the same, if Ron Paul starts “losing it” in his later years, I choose to remember him for his 2012 and earlier positions.

    They stopped making those kinds of politicians decades ago….

    #48858
    Tolik
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    That could be , everybody can get burnt out ……..or get dementia later on in life . Thats why I have a problem with old men running for president . Like I said , he was good for a long time , like Sheriff Joe , thats why he kept getting re elected .

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