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  • #41836
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    This article is very interesting how slowly they are getting ready for the economical collapse and the takeover of the country. I believe this is the end game.

    Jade Helm Early? – NY Guard Training Civilian Imprisonment

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/jade-helm-early-ny-guard-training-civilian-imprisonment/

    #41838
    Robin
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    Thanks. Any physical indication in Florida of Jade Helm?
    Robin

    #41839
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    I have seen over my house many military helicopters which I have never seen before fly at night and day time.

    “On March 27, under the auspices of DHS, Special Operations forces practiced political dissident extraction drills in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. I took this as a personal declaration of war against the American people.”

    You can see the image on the bottom of this article,

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/05/31/jade-helm-offical-reveals-true-purposes-of-jh-15-this-is-a-must-read/

    #41842
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    Robin my mom lives in north Florida and has seen very little indications of JH where she lives. Here in TX is another story. I can’t say everything I have seen is tied to JH but there have been a lot convoys with military vehicles in east Texas. All of them seem to be heading towards maybe Texarkana. There is a reserve depot in Big Sandy which is south and west of Texarkana. They could be going there as well. I have several friends who travel around the state and we keep each other informed when we see things. There has been a lot of activity out of San Antonio as well.

    Free it is interesting to see the timeline listed in the article. It indeed appears they have been preparing for this for a long time. One of the comments down at the bottom caught my attention. It was the one about moving back and just watching things burn. Maybe Ferguson and Baltimore were tests. They tried using NG troops to settle things and it caused more trouble. They stood back and let Baltimore burn and it seems to have fizzled out quicker. Now JH is about to start and they have new test data to add to the training. I would suspect they see the collapse coming and are training for the logistics to execute their “peace keeping mission.” When the collapse comes they will surround major cities, let chaos take its course thus weakening any resistance, and then come in and save the day once everyone is desperate for supplies. The people will submit to stay fed and sheltered. Give the rural folks a year or so to run out of there preps and then move out from the cities to take complete control. No need to go head to head. Just wait them out until they give up.

    #41843
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    Matt76, You have it right. This is what I see. Cities will be let go to burn and at the end they will come in but I am not sure if it will be to save the people left. The people left will be hardcore that is why they made it. So they will clean up what is left. I will be one of them but I will take some of them with me.

    I am not sure about the rural areas. They will get hit by a special group trained for this.

    #41844
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    I have a bit of a different take on this. There is a very real risk of economic collapse worldwide. It would never be just the US. Everything is too interconnected. There is also a very real risk of WWIII. Too many hotspots around the world in which one or more of the big 3 (US, Russia, China) have an interest. Bring any two of us into actual military conflict and you will have WWIII. China is not even hiding the fact that they are preparing for war. Lastly there is a very real risk that we will see large scale or widespread jihadi terrorism in the US. 9/11 was huge on shock value but otherwise it was fairly small scale one-off event. I’m talking something larger and more ongoing. These three scenarios are not mutually exclusive. Any one of them can trigger one or both of the others. Under any of these scenarios the military could well be the only hope of the country not descending into anarchy. The current political and economic elite do not need a military takeover. There is absolutely nothing stopping them now from doing whatever they want, whenever they want. We flatter ourselves if we think we’re somehow an impediment to their plans. For example, think of the sheer arrogance behind the process that will soon give the go ahead on those new trade deals without the public ever even being told what the deals include, let alone asking whether it is something we approve of. If we can see these risks, of course the military can see them too, and so they are training, building plans, and getting all of the requisite legalities in place. If any of these scenarios are imminent, we have to assume that they have better info than we do.

    #41846
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    Yes it will bring war in many countries. Maybe WWIII. Now why all the military training in our cities? What scenario is this for? What I see MountainBiker is we better be ready since we really do not know what will happen. How long will it last 2, 4, 6, 8 or more then 10 years. Look at Iraq it has gone more the ten years. I think this will be 100X bigger.

    #41850
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    As far as the cities go I don’t think they will wait too long before moving in. Maybe a few weeks to 2 months after SHTF. They have to find that critical balance. Wait just long enough to starve them out and do away with the weak but not long enough for the survivors to get too comfortable and start organizing. I’m not completely sure on the rural front. My best guess is that they will nationalize food production and start seizing property for federal farms, but I believe that will come much later after they have gained control of the cities. They will probably re-educate the city folk and those in the detention centers and get them on their side for seizing property for food production and the good of the people.

    #41851
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    MB I think all those factors play in but I think our government is trying to treat them as separate events. They are trying to move forward with their socialist plans in hopes WWIII doesn’t break out before they get it done. I think they believe if the whole house of cards comes tumbling down maybe they will have their plans in place and they will have total control over America. After the dust settles there will be a select few that will have total power over the regions they control.

    #41852
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    Remember history has shown us, Russia, China, Cuba all took all rural farm land. The farmers that didn’t work with the government were taken away to were no one ever found them again. Farms are all managed by the military and they really do not care if it only produces 10% of what it use to. In Cuba there is NO FAT PEOPLE, the government has a great diet called LIMITED FOOD. My mother’s father and mother( my grandfather) was not aloud to grow anything period, they would come around every week and anything growing would be taken out.

    Food = Control of the people. Limit there food and make all of them depend on the government for food. That will be the plan. So they will take all the rural areas so they can control the food. Once they do this they will not need one bullet to control you or me. If you do not like them controlling you well they will just stop giving you and your family food.

    The farms in Cuba were taken over to the point were they would have the farmers plant the food and have military there 24/7 so when the food is ready they would take all of it and only let the farmer have only what his family eats. Remember food is control.

    The cities have what? just a lot of people which they do not need. The less the better. The value of all the cities will not be much for them.

    #41853
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    freedom, cities are where the people are. That’s why they need to train for urban operations. Just letting the cities burn and descend into anarchy post-SHTF is only going to cause an even larger refugee problem. No, we do not know what the future holds, and so yes, we need to be ready. All I’m saying is that the military being ready to maintain some semblance of order is not a bad thing. Would some of our rights be compromised or curtailed? Sure, but we’d have no rights at all come complete anarchy.

    Matt, I expect that they would nationalize food production and a whole lot of other things during a major SHTF scenario, and again it will take the military to be able to do it. For example, convoys of trucks bringing food to the cities might need military escorts during periods of social breakdown.

    The cities do need to be contained because farmers can’t farm if it isn’t safe to do so. There are single buildings in NYC that have more people living in them than the 32 square mile entirety of my town. I can guarantee we have many times the number of guns, but again farmers can’t farm and fight off refugees at the same time.

    #41854
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    Matt, there isn’t much stopping the socialists at this point. No, they haven’t been able to disarm the populace yet, but that really isn’t standing in their way much. Half the population is feeding at the public trough. They have taken over the schools and universities. They control most of our large cities. They control most of the media, including the entertainment industry even. They write the rules that govern the workplace and that control land, water, air, and energy resources. They are getting virtually everything they want now. They don’t need a military takeover.

    #41855
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    MB, Socialist = Communist just a prettier word. The government has been buying billions in ammo, tons of food and none of it is for you and me. They will only circle the cities because of what you have pointed out that there gun control has not worked and there Homeland Security is not built to be able to control 100 million gun owners so they need to reduce/depopulate the cities without them getting taken over so there is only one way to do this and that is to let the people fight them self for food. After one to two months they can come in and take over with not much of a fight.

    They already have the food they need for there military in storage. Will they take control of the rural areas YES!!! They have been taking land right now were ever they can. When the collapse happens farmland will be much more valuable then cities with building that will not be needed.

    A military takeover is in the plans. On your “They are getting virtually everything they want now.” No they are not. They didn’t get gun control, Obama’s Immigration has been stopped by the courts, The congress has stopped his trade agreement, he is losing many fronts so no they are not been able to do whatever they want anymore so they are mad as hell. What will they do in a collapse, Remember there saying never let a crisis go to waste! They will take this crisis to the limits.

    #41857
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    In a TOTAL COLLAPSE the question is what would the government want the cities for? There would be no economy for 10 to 20 years. So what do they value the most? The same thing every prepare values, rural farmland will be the most valuable properties in the country. Cities will have no value for a long time.

    Why, well we all know that nothing is being built in the U. S. anymore so what will the government use the cities for? There will be no jobs in the cities, no food, only buildings so why in the world would they waste there time in the cities? They will only circle the cities till the people kill them self off and in the end go in and finish what is left. That will be the easiest way. In all wars the cities end up on fire and the rural areas are taken over.

    #41858
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    freedom, they have gotten what they want. Exceedingly few amongst the millions of illegals are going to be deported. All the court has done is temporarily stop it from being made official. They will chip away at it until they are made legal. Despite last year’s surge of “minors”, nothing is being done to secure the border. The main event of the trade bill did get passed in the House, the TPP itself. They will soon throw more money at the part that didn’t pass (support for displaced workers) and the Dems will cave. It could well pass before the month is out. Part of that new treaty is going to include an opening of the flood gates for foreign workers, and you can bet none of them are ever going home again either. Gun control is the only thing they haven’t won entirely. Gun restrictions continue to tighten for a good chunk of the population. Just 6 States that I know have tightened restrictions (CA, NY, NJ, MA. MD, & CT) account for more than a quarter of the population, 80 some odd million people. Offsetting that somewhat are States that have relaxed gun restrictions. At the federal level they have been able to make gun ownership more costly by sucking up the ammo supply and restricting certain imports. Now the feds are starting the next big thing which is the forced integration of neighborhoods. Of course communities could just say no to the federal money and stop that nonsense, but they rarely ever say no. I didn’t mention Obama care earlier but it is another great example. Even if the Supreme Court strikes down the subsidies in States that didn’t set up their own exchange, there is no easily going back to the pre-Obamacare system on account it has been thoroughly destroyed at this point. What will happen is the Republicans will quickly go along with fixing that clause in exchange for putting some lipstick on that pig trying to pretty it up a bit. Obamacare isn’t going away. The President and his acolytes are not in retreat but are rather gaining steam for his final 18 month assault towards fulfilling his campaign promise to fundamentally change America.

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