October 9, 2014 at 11:30 pm #26476
I also agree that the email is worth my time reading it. Ghost Prime always post even if the info maybe fabricated we like to read it and give our opinions on it.
I post many time info I was not sure about or just wanted to know what everyone opinion was on it. Even some on the most fabricated info has some truth in them that we can learn from. I have posted some whoppers here and had the group get on my behind for it but I would still do it again because of all the post response that I got from everyone was very interesting info.October 10, 2014 at 1:43 am #26483
Ghost 911 is an inside job no planes no dead J-w’ it is financial center and only one died a walk by tourist. not one showed up for work that day non of the silverstein’s showed up. of course they knew. Look at who benefited then you know who did it. you think some guy in a cave did all this with about a 10 k budget?? you think airplane fuel burns so hot it melts steel? you think two tower hit at different angles collapse in on it self? building 7 was never hit but fell anyways…
larry silverstien argued that it was two separate terrorist attacks so he should get double the insurance… and just had them pay no court? you ever deal with insurance? they NEVER pay unless forced.
and in all the flaming rubble they find un scorched passport? think 132 stories 6 inches each how big a pile is it goint to make if perfectly flat… yeah how big was the pile? They started moving debris next day…how long do other “bombings” take to investigate?
there are so many wrong things with it i dont know the truth but the official version is complete BSOctober 10, 2014 at 8:10 am #26492
Whoever conducted the attack, which I believe was Usama and company, didn’t use something other than the airplanes. For your edification, steel weakens at somewhere around 1700 degrees Fahrenheit. Jet fuel burns at over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit. From an engineering stand point there is no argument. You might like to know that steel structures everywhere are protected from fire with sprayed on insulation for this very reason. Any normal building fire is hot enough to collapse a steel structure and requires protection.October 10, 2014 at 1:27 pm #26500
Namelus, I’d like to see the documentation on all that.
For a number of reasons.
And having responded to numerous structure fires and having worked in a machine/welding shop, I have to agree with 74. Steel is easy to damage with fire, not just melting but structurally damaging. Ruin the heat treat and its a greatly weakened and easily damaged piece of metal, in comparison.October 10, 2014 at 1:55 pm #26501
1890 f or 1030 c well below “melting steel: that was seen if only bending when have you seen a building “bend ” in on itself? perfect foot print fall? including the top part above the explosion?
look at any other structural collapse with fire and a steel and glass building …never does that.
think plane hits one side..structurally weaker? burns and collapse in on self? perfect foot print drip you try that with any other building i bet you cant without pre positioned demolition charges
you realize the jets carry the fuel in the wings right? so a explosion like seen going through building cant happen.
ask yourself what is an airplane made of.. yeah like a pop can aluminum… can you throw a beer can through your house even at 665 mph? why cant you because the structural integrity of the can wont penetrate wood…. look at the tapes carefully.
and you are saying at plane at top of building with burning jet fuel enough just to weaken structure caused a full collapse in on itself times 2 exactly how did get fuel get into lower floors and weaken all the way down? with no visible sign of fire? for hours right? cause a 12 inch thick latticed girder wrapped in concrete and rebar wont just weaken in a few mins
so lets say they have full fuel tank at 48,000 gallons ( untrue since they where flying) so minus fire ball you are saying that that leaked all the way down and equally weakens support so it collapsed perfectly in on itself? yet not one bent structural beam seen at ground zero only ones cut at 45% which is a cutting angle for a demolition?
you say it had fuel from building concrete steel and glass dont burn at those temps so that leaves office furniture? how much does a desk burn? ever notice there was no paper leaving windows as it collapsed? which office do you know has no paper?
you know big eye naval radar is just out side of nyc with a squadron of fighters ready 365/24/7 they are in “war game” mode… you are in a heightened state of alert and you miss this ongoing for 2+ hours and send no one to investigate? Ask any military vet when in war game mode you expect to be tested and you are looking for the unusual.
like i said i dont know what happened just the truth is not the official versionOctober 10, 2014 at 2:35 pm #26504
Well first off have you ever looked at pictures of a wreckage site from other large planes? There is usually a trench from the impact and the engines are buried deep in the earth. A a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds, traveling at 530mph converted to feet per second 777fps. about the velocity of a 230 gr 45acp. Any vertical structure within the direct line of the fuselage and engines was removed on impact weakening the building. If you watch videos of the first building collapsing you can see it clearly shifts to one side first and the debris falls well to the side. After that the remaining structural parts are so weak and now shifted out of alignment they can’t carry the weight from above. The combined weight of the above floors falling collapsed each subsequent floor. Just like a house of cards. Whatever the shear strength of the horizontal components were designed to withstand, they were not designed for that type of sudden energy loading. Buildings are designed for static loads. If you want to understand why there are few papers and such, just look at the video of the dust. Virtually everything was squashed and ground into fragments and dust.
Immediately following the attacks, a building performance study (BPS) team of engineering specialists was formed by the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE) and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). The BPS team issued its report in May 2002, finding that the aircraft impacts caused “extensive structural damage, including localized collapse” and that the resulting fires “further weakened the steel-framed structures, eventually leading to total collapse.” They also presented recommendations for more detailed engineering studies of the disaster.
“The BPS team investigation was later followed by a more detailed investigation conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which also consulted outside engineering entities. This investigation was completed in September 2005. The NIST investigators did not find anything substandard in the design of the WTC towers, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past. They also emphasized the role of the fires and found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: “This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_CenterOctober 10, 2014 at 7:59 pm #26512
IMHO, I am of the opinion that what the Intellegence Officer offered was his opinion based upon his experiences. Whether or not Snopes or any other so-called professionals debunk the authenticity of his statements, can you say that the advice given was incorrect? I have seen many others on this website offer similar advices, but not the depth of his, because most of us have not been in a zone where an attack is anticipated every day. Those that have, can you say that an attack is going to happen at 1605 hrs on our Right Flank involving nothing more than suicide bombers or dismounted troops, etc? The people of Isreal live in a world unfamiliar to most of us and have taken steps to minimize the threat as much as possible while still trying to live a normal life. The advice he offers,I believe, is solid based upon his own existence in a life different than what we daily live but could become more familiar to us in the future, GOD forbid. Ron SOctober 10, 2014 at 9:31 pm #26516
Ron, I completely agree with your sentiment that God forbid we have to face what Israel does and has for years. Unfortunately, I believe the enemy (muslimes) are here in sufficient numbers to escalate their attacks. All of us need to tighten up and focus our awareness on what may happen for I would hate to think I let my family down simply by relaxing so I am not as conscious about potential threats. It is a hell of a way to live but I believe it is the world in which we live. Like Gandalf said, none of us gets to choose the time in which we live. We only get to choose what we will do with the time that is given to us. I pray I will do well with the time I have, and I pray for all Americans that they may do the same, especially those Patriots who know how Blessed we are to be Americans.
For God, Family, Country, & Liberty!October 10, 2014 at 10:23 pm #26517
Ghost Prime, I agree that there are too many potential enemies here already, not only Muslims but also some home-grown types as well. Some folks have been here for many years and are only waiting until they have been given the proper signal whereas others are only after the notariety. Constant vigilance is the only way one may survive regardless of circumstance.
By the way, I forgot on my previous post to thank you for putting out the article for our consideration. Ron SOctober 11, 2014 at 12:07 am #26520
The number of Muslims here is enough to cause short term problems. After vigilantism kicks in there won’t be any problems from Muslims.October 11, 2014 at 3:19 am #26525
Thanks Ron. I only wanted our group to be aware of something that might be valuable. Hopefully it was helpful to some here.
For God, Family, Country, & Liberty!October 11, 2014 at 4:00 am #26530
<div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>74 wrote:</div>The number of Muslims here is enough to cause short term problems. After vigilantism kicks in there won’t be any problems from Muslims.
Today class we are going to learn what a pogrom is. Then we will all take to the streets and execute one.
That is pretty much how I see it happening. It will be ugly and brutal and many innocent people will be hurt or killed just because they look or talk a certain way.October 11, 2014 at 6:59 am #26533
. “It will be ugly and brutal and many innocent people will be hurt or killed just because they look or talk a certain way”. – Pheonix
You must be refering to what Islam teaches. Seems like they are blowing people up and cutting heads off everywhere they live with other cultures.October 11, 2014 at 1:48 pm #26545
The number of Muslims here is enough to cause short term problems. After vigilantism kicks in there won’t be any problems from Muslims.
100 Million PO’ed Gun Owvers, 500 Million Firearms, a Trillion Rounds…
MAYBE 2-3 million “bad actors” of all types…
You Do The Math
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undeRGRond, number don’t lie! These numbers are the reason the government has not taken control over the people. These number why we are still free. These numbers are the reason the government wants gun control! We the people can NEVER let that happen. The 2nd Amendment should have it’s name changed to be called the Freedom Amendment because without the 2nd Amendment there will slavery of the people.
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