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  • #44681
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    freedom
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    Today there was news of Russian bombers close to a Navy ship,

    Russian warplanes buzz USS Ronald Reagan

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/29/russian-warplanes-buzz-uss-ronald-reagan/?intcmp=hpbt2

    This happen yesterday with China,
    China says it will use ‘all necessary’ means to respond to future US patrols

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/29/china-says-it-will-use-all-necessary-means-to-respond-to-future-us-patrols/

    What does everyone think?

    #44683
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    sledjockey
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    No way with the Vagina in Chief we have in office now that a large scale battle will take place. Same as the previous Vagina in Chief (Clinton) that let us get bombed numerous times (Yemen, Trade Center, many embassies) without retaliation. This Obamination proved how subordinate he is by: bowing to several other leaders, dressing wife in red at Chinese meeting (sign of subordinate), give away Internet control, etc…… When I hear him talk I wonder which set of lips are flapping.

    http://ageofdecadence.com

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    #44686
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    74
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    Obama is mentaly unstable playing chicken with the Chinese over Islands we have no real interest. He could have gotten a lot of people killed and a ship destroyed yesterday. He’s likely to start something that he can’t finish.

    #44689
    Robin
    Robin
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    Spratly Islands are on top vast oil and natural gas deposits. Everyone and their brother are claiming the islands. For years different nations would send out sailors/soldiers to squat on different outcroppings. Squat is the correct term as most of the “islands” are no more than 2 ft above sea level and only small huts were constructed. Until China started Terrain Forming larger islands.
    US did that back in the late 1970’s and called it Diego Garcia. We called it “Fantasy Island” but official title was “Footprint of Freedom.” Lagoon in the middle and 2 small islands on top made it look like a footprint.
    Robin

    #44692
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    MountainBiker
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    It sure does seem like the US & Russia and the US & China) are circling each other trying to elicit a reaction from the other. My guess is that both Russia & China smell weakness and want to gain ground before someone more competent occupies the White House.

    #44693
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    MB, agree. You hit it on target. I think 2016 may start a war.

    #44695
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    If there is a WW3 , I have no doubt in my mind that it will be OUR fault . if ever there was a need for another Revolution , it is now . The excuses that are given about US interference around the world are absurd , very few are legit . When you start to become a Self-Rightious nation , instead of a Righteous nation , bad things happen .
    attitudes sometimes remind me of that dumb a$$ Japanese soldier that was still fighting WW2 in 1974 , lets see here ……………he lives like a rat in the jungle , has had NO indication of any hostilities for 30 years , you would think that maybe , just maybe , a person would pull their head out of their a$$ , take a good look around , and ask a few questions ? Just sayin . Duty is one thing , mental illness is quite another . THe Japs make him a hero instead of saying ” Whats wrong with you !!!! ”

    #44696
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    74
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    Robin,
    That may be so but the US doesn’t have a legal claim to the islands. We don’t even use the oil fields in our homeland or in the continental areas surrounding the U S. Why start a war over oil? That’s another scam.

    #44697
    Robin
    Robin
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    Diego Garcia has no material worth. US uses it to preposition ships full of stuff.
    …….and other things.
    DG is part of BIOT (British Indian Ocean Territory)
    Robin

    #44698
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    Oil is plant and animal compost , it is a finite thing , once the last bit get sucked out of the soda straw , the glass is indeed empty , and empty forever , for all intents and purposes . Then what ?

    #44701
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    GeorgiaSaint
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    WWIII? Certainly possible. But some of us older folks well remember US and Soviet submarines actually bumping into each other, fly-bys that would make the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds look like timid amateur pilots, and serious games like nukes in Cuba vs. the blockade. What’s going on now is just posturing.

    Oh – could mistakes happen? Certainly. And I can certainly agree with Tolik that if it does happen, it will likely be our side. I think Putin is FAR less likely to make that kind of mistake. One thing he is not, is inexperienced in either life or military/intelligence operations. Obama has gotten rid of some of the best and brightest military minds (though his predecessors did some of that too), he has ZERO experience in true crises, and there were even unconfirmed reports that he wasn’t even IN the situation room when the decision was made and executed to kill bin Laden (assuming that really happened when and how they claimed).

    I also agree with Tolik that if Revolution II was ever needed, it is absolutely now (if not too late already). Sadly, I don’t believe it could be successful, both because too few would join in. Too many have been lulled by public education and the media, and very few have ever fought for this nation (or any of the causes that our government has said were “for our freedom”). Few are prepared to resist the superior force that could be launched. Oh, a guerrilla war could be waged that would disrupt a whole lot of things, but with success in toppling the current government? I don’t expect that would happen. And even if it did, who would stabilize the nation then, with race wars that would most certainly also ensue? And who would ensure that free and fair elections would ever be able to happen again in any reasonable time frame? If they didn’t, who would be the acting dictator, and who would that work? My fantasy is very sweet. Reality says my fantasy is just that – fantasy. I think we’ve gone too far, and we’ll just have to ride this one out and pick up the pieces of a much larger disaster than just the overthrow of the current government that perhaps our fantasies would cheer for.

    Oh – and as for our behavior around the world that Tolik referred to, how would WE react if we decided to fill in parts of the Gulf of Mexico to establish land-based drilling platforms instead of floating ones, and China sent military ships and planes over around our projects? Yet we’re surprised when they react to us in their neighborhood?!? Of course I know it’s also about the stability of that whole region, the safety of Japan and the Philippines, etc. But we’ve been messing with regimes in our half of the world for far more than a century, so why are we behaving in some superior, self-righteous manner?

    But no, short of a really stupid mistake on our part, and short of “Lil’ Kim” or Iran managing to lob one over our nation’s mid-section to create an EMP that wipes out the nation, I don’t see us getting into WWIII quite yet. That may come as the result of the major breakdown in social and economic order when all those walls come tumbling down, and we “need” a good war to somehow resurrect ourselves (figuratively, not literally, though that may not be far off either).

    For all its faults, I don’t think Chinese leadership is THAT dumb, nor certainly is Putin. Obama? I don’t think he’s “dumb” in the sense of IQ. But he’s playing a very different game, USING the other players for his own personal, grossly narcissistic agenda. I just don’t think he’s stupid enough to push the button – first. (By the way – if you don’t think this nation has ever had nuclear weapons targeted for our own cities, think again. As Alan Stang used to say at the end of his broadcasts, “Think about it!”)

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #44708
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    lonewolf
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    Oil is plant and animal <nobr>compost</nobr> , it is a finite thing , once the last bit get sucked out of the soda straw , the glass is indeed empty , and empty forever , for all intents and purposes . Then what ?

    THEN we go back to living a pre industrialised lifestyle, no cars, no machines, no electricity and probably no modern technology or infrastructure.

    British Survivalist.

    #44709
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    member10

    THats why world governments are running scared , the world population is oblivious , but the governments and oil companies know the well will run dry , sooner , rather than later , we are not talking 300 years into the future either .

    #44710
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    lonewolf
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    yes, governments always lie about how much oil they have in store, for political reasons, Saudi is one such, so no one actually knows how much is left.

    British Survivalist.

    #44712
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    freedom
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    rnews

    Well they just found a large reserve in Israel. I personally think there is still a lot of oil.

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