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  • #8577
    Selco
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    In dependence where you live you are probably familiar with bribe, small or big one, there are regions in the world where bribe is rare (hard to believe for me) on the level where you could see it or use it, and there are regions where bribe is everyday thing.

    It may sound funny but bribing is one of the skill that you maybe gonna be forced to use in early stage of SHTF, and it may save your life.

    Do not keep all money in one pocket, act like you do not know actually what you are doing, do not give the reason to man who you gonna bribe to take much more, use confusion are some of the simple advices when bribing someone.

    Any thoughts?

    #8579
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    freedom
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    rnews

    Selco, I am in Miami! Bribing is also in the Latin blood. This is one area I am good at. Doing business and bribes is in every business deal in all Latin Countries. They think it is just part of doing business and not really illegal. Do a business deal lose a little with the bribe but gain the business deal and get the inside info from the person you bribed. What a deal!

    #8581
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    tweva
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    rreallife

    The art of learning when to offer a ‘bribe’ goes together with the ability to be perceptive/to understand people and their motivations. To be able to easily put yourself in their shoes. To recognize character traits. To notice people’s little ‘tells’ about what they are thinking, if they are lying etc.. You must also be able to take on a ‘role’ like an actor, quickly, to be and act sometimes like you imagine someone else to be.

    Here in US, in my personal life, I have not personally felt the need, or been asked for, any thing or favor for anything. However, as a woman, if you need something quickly, need help to have something go smoothly, help usually with local government processes – I have ‘bribed’ people with my time, making a person feel very important, complimenting them. Isn’t that a bribe as well? Well, whatever and however

    When I managed commercial ships in the Caribbean and Central/South America yes, I had to learn the art of the bribe. To get ship parts sent into a country where an idle vessel sat waiting for them (charges daily going up), the embassies that needed to put many stupid seals and papers all over a box. The Captains usually took care of the needed bribes for the harbor pilots and inspectors and dock workers outside the country with liquor and cigarettes we kept specifically in great quantities on board. Sometimes he needed to do more – but I asked him not to tell me what. Best not to know. To get a container ship or roll-on/roll-off loaded or unloaded quickly in this country to get in/out and on schedule to get to next port – yes, I quickly had to learn about this.

    Most important then was to figure out who was the best person to deal with, that was really in charge. For a title that means they should be in charge, did not mean they were really in charge, the person who really had the influence. To find that purpose takes some skill with people and talking to them, asking quiet questions that are not questions and observing who is really directing things. In these cases, as I was a rare woman in that business/position, acting stupid and clueless would have been dangerous and pointless. For this purpose I had a ‘petty cash’ fund from the owners of the ships (from Europe that understood these things). Cash would have been dangerous/stupid/not legal from union standpoint I guess. I figured out that the best way to get the ship loaded/unloaded, if necessary ahead of the line, was tickets and box seat tickets to box seats I made the owners purchase for the local football or baseball teams in the few US ports we traded through. This was, once found/knew the correct person, a matter of a casual mention that I had some great tickets to these things, but oh I would not be able to use them. And, gosh…changing subject if I could only get this ship loaded by xx time, I might have time to be able to find someone that could use them. That and once established, keeping your word.

    I once had a cook on a ship that stopped a ship in the ocean on the way to Romania with cattle hides from Houston. He was holding the Chief Engineer and his crew hostage over a fight about a woman they were both seeing in some port. The were from Phillipines, but the Captain was French Canadian. Captain was about to have a heart attack he was so crazy and what to do? I happened to remember this crew man/cook. He was a very short man and felt he was not given enough respect for what he did from the crew, Captain etc. for all the good food he cooked. (Seaman complain about ship food all the time) I told the Captain that I would, by the way, like to purchase him the best briefcase for his papers that he could find when they came to port (where I was waiting for it) and perhaps the Chief Engineer and his crew needed to help in the kitchen for a week so they understood what he had to deal with; but of course, that might not be for some time because the ship was so delayed – and I would not be able to afford it if the ship was so late we had big charges against us. Issue resolved.

    Many stories about bribes. Good subject Selco. It is a skill to be acquired as do think will be needed.

    #8582
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    tweva
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    rreallife

    Freedom is of course right. It is just a part of doing business in Latin America.

    #8586
    wildartist
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    And India. Especially if you are obviously a white foreigner, which makes you automatically “rich”, which of course means you should share your wealth. (Our govt has the same idea…)

    #8587
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    freedom
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    rnews

    tweva, YES! YES! YES! making a man feel very important, complimenting them is a very good bribe women use and sometimes they do not even know that they just bribed there way.

    I see them do it to me all the time and when I do not let it work oh boy do you get a face(look) from them. LOL!
    But I sometimes like that look! Women will be the biggest bribers in a SHTF!

    #8589
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    tweva
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    rreallife

    Freedom – be careful! You only think you might have been in control of that! Haha…women usually have very long memories…and will remember next time! And then, you will really pay! LOL

    #8593
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    freedom
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    rnews

    tweva, I know!! Why! Why do women have so very long memories? Men will not remember any of it two day later.

    Women are very good it that! And you are right I have paid dearly many times.

    #8603
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    tweva
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    rreallife

    Freedom – what? You are a smart guy obviously…you have not figured it out? LOL! ‘Why! Why do women have so very long memories? Men will not remember any of it two day later.’ The answer is…because women only let the men believe they are in control when it suits them…but men must be reminded of reality in the end! My 2 cents! Big smile!

    #8619
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    freedom
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    rnews

    tweva, You are so right but two days from today I may ask you the same question! Please don’t take it personal it is that my memory doesn’t go passed two days. LOL!

    #8622
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    tweva
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    rreallife

    LOL Gotcha Freedom – ‘typical’ man…chuckle I don’t think so. Thanks from the ‘other’ side for being ‘aware’. Bless you!

    #8624
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    freedom
    Survivalist
    rnews

    tweva, May God Bless you too!

    #8635
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    pbbrown0
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    Selco, in the U.S. there is an exaggerated heritage of “fairness” going back to the days of the revolution in the late 1700s. Many associated their anger with the special privileges granted at whim by the royalty in the “old world”. This has resulted in very harsh laws against bribery at all levels. The enforcement of those laws are mostly applied only as the lower levels of the economic spectrum because those who are “highly successful” have designed ways to make a bribe impossible to prove.
    The most common approach is for businesses to cultivate “warm and fuzzy” personal relationships with government or military officials (like taking special care of extended family and friends of the officials rather than providing benefit directly to the official or their immediate family.) As the relationships “grow” repeated casual comments about the long term future of the official after they get out of the “public sector” (retire from government employment) are used to assure favorable application of the official’s discretionary influence.
    Essentially bribes are still widespread in the U.S. They are just much more indirect.

    #8647
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    freedom
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    rnews

    pbbrown0, Your explanation was right, indirect bribes is the way it is done in the U. S. In Latin America and other parts of the world it is more direct to the point.

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