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  • #46456
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    Classic examples of the “set up”:

    Heavily Armed Conservative Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
    Last night members of a conservative militia stormed the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters in Oregon in protest of the two Oregon ranchers recently convicted on charges of setting fire to federal land.

    Several of the protesters hail from the Bundy family – the clan that previously initiated a government standoff in Nevada over similar federal land issues. Among them is Ammon Bundy (Clive Bundy’s son) and two of his brothers. Ryan Payne is also present at the domestic terrorist event. (Payne organized snipers in aiming at federal officials at the Nevada standoff.)

    http://www.peacock-panache.com/2016/01/heavily-armed-conservative-militia-seizes-federal-building-in-oregon-21081.html

    and

    Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters
    … The Bundy family of Nevada joined with hard-core militiamen Saturday to take over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, vowing to occupy the remote federal outpost 30 miles southeast of Burns for years. … Among those joining Bundy in the occupation are Ryan Payne, U.S. Army veteran, and Blaine Cooper. Payne has claimed to have helped organize militia snipers to target federal agents in a standoff last year in Nevada. He told one news organization the federal agents would have been killed had they made the wrong move.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo

    Ammon Bundy himself is not identifying himself or his group with any “militia.” That’s all news media hype. They didn’t “storm” the facility. And the building on the property was not what the media intended for the public image to look like – a big “Murrah Federal Building” style “federal building, suggesting what we were to believe was coming next. The occupiers simply left after the legal protest march in town, and went to the wildlife refuge, and took it over. Peaceful – even according to law enforcement. There is no known evidence of an emphasis on “guns” by the “militants,” just no denial that they may be armed for self-protection. There is absolutely NO evidence that their primary objective is to have a full-on firefight with feds – on the contrary, they’re prepared to OCCUPY the facility long term. It used to be called in previous years (when associated with different racial and political demographics) “civil disobedience.” And note that they got the fact that Ryan Payne is a “U.S. Army veteran,” and that ONE (which one? and where’s Payne’s actual quote, out of his mouth?) news organization said that “federal agents would have been killed had they made the wrong move.” Uh, huh. And what was the rest of that statement, in context (assuming he even said it)?

    As said in an earlier post, this is a set up in a well coordinated government/media effort, and when you start drawing the lines of control UPWARD beyond what seems to be the top of those two organizations, you find the real controllers. It’s a giant chess board, and there are multiple moves being made locally, nationally, and internationally. But intentionally isolated focus is on only a few of the moves, in order to keep them from appearing coordinated or even related (e.g. the Oregon incident vs. HR 4269). Once you understand the real tactics and players, it begins to make real sense. And again, it can be traced back to Marx’ statements in the last eight or nine sentences in the last chapter of his Manifesto (the entire chapter only being 3/4 of one page long). Add to that the updated strategy outlined by Cloward and his lovely {choke} bride Frances Fox Piven in 1966, along with Uncle Saul’s 1971 classic 13 “Rules.” Want to really learn more about what Cloward and Piven meant, and accomplished? Check this out:

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html

    Now watch the President’s pronouncements over the next couple of weeks on “gun control,” and also listen carefully (if you can stomach it) to the State of the Union speech in a couple of weeks. Then watch Congress and HR 4269, etc. I also predict that many of the Republican candidates will create the appearance of opposition by making all kinds of statements about separation of powers between government branches, the unconstitutionality of executive orders, etc. And they’re right. But what they won’t be telling the public is how they have allowed it to get this far, just like we’re not supposed to know how many of them voted FOR the unconscionable and beyond excessive spending authorized by the latest budget bill we’ve heard so little about.

    Oh – and if you want a canary to use as your warning deep down in the explosive environment, watch Utah Representative Mia Love. She came to office saying all the right things (and I honestly believe she meant them). But after being trotted out to speak at the 2012 Republican National Convention, her tone changed perceptibly (but only to those really listening). I think “they got to her.” She lost her 2012 bid for the House. She sounded good enough to finally get elected on her 2nd try (2014). Then sadly, she voted for Paul Ryan as Speaker, and for the December massive spending bill. I think she’s been bought or threatened into submission – a real shame. I think the canary died in its cage.

    Yes – “it’s on.” Be careful out there. And be very careful before any action – they WANT to provoke the “wrong” kind of move. It’s a very intricate, complex, and well hidden trap. But it will hurt exquisitely if stepped in.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #46457
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    #46458
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    The only significant thing I’d add to that video is the lack of usefulness of the word “communism” or any of its forms today. Uncle Saul has done a masterful job using Rule #5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” They’ve ridiculed the use of the word “communism” or calling someone a “communist,” to the point that they can end a discussion within seconds with that tactic – get people laughing at the “idiot” that uses the word “communism,” because “everybody” knows communism is a relic of history, and anyone that still talks about it as if it’s present tense is a tin foil hat wearing whacko, worthy of ridicule, and probably even worthy of distrust – extreme right wing domestic terrorists. And because of Uncle Saul’s rules (particularly #5), even the use of that video provides a golden opportunity to ridicule the ludicrous use of an ancient black and white propaganda piece a half century later, as if it’s even relevant (it is, but we can’t get away with saying it – not in that manner, at least).

    Don’t use the word “communism” or any form of it. Describe WHAT is happening. Describe the concepts, not using the label to describe what you’re trying to say. Of course what it really is, is Marxism which is different in a way that few have understood, as opposed to what is described in the first three chapters of the Manifesto. It’s that little bitty 3/4 page 4th chapter that has the real meat in it – the tactics and the ultimate goals. And it’s brutal and complete in its scope. Anyone that has been brainwashed into believing that communism is dead, needs only to see that there still are CPUSA conventions, and a web site, for example. They will use the term internally, because they’re proud of it. But let an outsider (particularly a detractor) use it, and Rule #5 is invoked immediately by any good Marxist: mockery or “ridicule” – an almost guaranteed discussion-stopper. Focus on the concepts, not the name – it’s pure, fundamental evil. That road even goes a whole lot further than I choose to pursue in this forum, however.

    From the current CPUSA web site, just one of the many tidbits of strategic “hints” is the following (discussing the current Democratic candidates for President):

    They also include Bernie Sanders, an independent senator from Vermont who is a self-avowed socialist and calls for a “political revolution.” Even if he does not win the Democratic nomination, his grassroots campaign has attracted enormous excitement and very importantly has brought discussion of socialism out of the shadows and back into the political mainstream.

    Hmmm… Dead? A relic of the past? Not according to the “dead relic” itself, anyway. Again quoting Alan Stang from the end of his broadcasts, “Think about it!” It’s what’s all behind the “Gun grab for 2016.”

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #46459
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    I would add to the list , the total uselessness it is TO the world and humanity as a whole .

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    Ah yes, Bernie. He is much loved here, even by those who very much disagree with his politics. I think what people like is that he is what he says he is. An honest man is so extremely rare amongst the political class. It’s too bad the honest one had to be a socialist. Regretfully for those of us in VT, he is bringing the whole socialism thing out of the shadows. In today’s paper there was an article about what to do about our high property taxes with a perfectly absurd socialist solution that you don’t want to get me going on.

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    With the “Bernie” factor empowering the far left, in today’s local paper the editorial came out in full support of Obama’s new gun executive actions, and to stir up the uninformed even included that ancient long disproved “40% of gun sales do not go through background checks” mantra . I knew that would be today’s editorial. There were two other guest editorials spouting anti-Trump stuff plus a Letter To The Editor doing the same, and with today’s political cartoon above the Letter’s To The Editor being a whack against Trump concerning tomorrow night’s speech he will do in Burlington. That’s the speech that Bernie & Hillary supporters scoffed up as many tickets as they could with the plea being to then not show up so as to embarass Trump with lots of empty seats. That was reported in yesterday’s paper. Both anti-Trump guest editorials and the Letter to the Editor suggested parallels between Trump and Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. So, yes the Bernie factor has empowered the far left who aren’t holding anything back. The front page article about Obama’s proposal quoted Bloomberg’s person heading up his organization in VT talking about how reasonable the proposals are and that her group is neither pro or anti-gun but are simply people focused on common sense safety measures. There was not a single word from the Gun Owners of VT organization offering a contrary opinion. Gun Owners of VT has been leading the charge for the various organizations in VT with an interest in this topic. I know the guy in charge and he always makes himself available to the media. They just chose to ignore him.

    The Bernie factor will diminish once he fades back into the background. Maybe I need to stop reading the paper until then.

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    #46507
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    Here is a very good video , this guy did his homework !!!!!!!!

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    I just saw in the news that the Trump campaign outsmarted the Bernie/Hillary gang concerning tomorrow night’s speech in Burlington. There have been 20,000 tickets issued for a 1,400 seat auditorium. The 1st 1,400 there get inside, so every seat will be filled, and there will be plenty of supporters outside to counter the protestors from the Bernie/Hillary side of the equation.

    Good video Tolik.

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    MB, I’m literally laughing out loud after reading that. I love it! I’d read an article earlier today that said the Hillary crowd grabbed up a lot of those tickets in order to have EMPTY seats to embarrass Trump – guess they didn’t do their homework on the seating capacity.

    Trump sometimes looks like a big, dumb, blundering idiot. His mannerisms and voice quality do a lot to create that appearance. He hasn’t gotten to where he’s gotten by being a big, dumb, blundering idiot. I LOVE it when the left is badly outsmarted and severely underestimates their opponents. ROFL! (I think that’s one rule that Uncle Saul left out of his 13 Rules for Radicals. Rule #14: “LOOK like a big, dumb, blundering idiot, so your opponents will constantly underestimate you.”

    Tolik, I don’t know what happened to my post, but I also absolutely loved that video. Thank you. I’ve already forwarded it to some non-Forum friends. That guy grabs you deep down at an emotional level – he EARNED his right to call himself an American. They half-heartedly tried to cut him off, but didn’t really dare actually do it. That was powerful.

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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    GS, Trump’s speech tonight in Burlington is the lead story in VT today as expected, and will be tomorrow too no doubt. My guess is that this will be the only Presidential candidate visit to VT except for Bernie. There’s only 626,000 people in the State. Half the country probably couldn’t find it on a map. We have just a single Congressional District, and heck, just a single area code too. VT is irrelevant to national politics, but Trump is coming anyway probably because it is the heart of Bernie territory. Bernie used to be the Mayor of Burlington and its where he lives. City officials are being polite as are the people that run the theater where the speech will be, and the media too for that matter. I give them all credit for their professionalism and decorum. My guess is they don’t want to rile up the Trump supporters causing even more to flood into the city. It’ll be in the 20’s this evening so not particularly cold, meaning Hillary and/or Bernie protestors will be out on the street.

    As an aside, ignoring its politics, Burlington is a beautiful thriving college town in a majestic setting on Lake Champlain looking at the Adirondacks on the NY side of the lake, and the Green Mountains to the East. Were I disposed to living in a small city its probably the one I’d pick. It really is that nice.

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    Were I disposed to living in a small city [Burlington is] probably the one I’d pick. It really is that nice.

    I agree. Truth be known, before I’d become fully acclimated to southern living, and I was just a young lieutenant, my wife and I talked about getting out, moving to Burlington, and opening a tropical fish store. Ahhhh, young dreams.

    Now? I can’t even remotely relate to, “It’ll be in the 20’s this evening so not particularly cold.” It was in the high 20°s two nights ago here, and I ’bout froze my fingers off (in gloves, no less) while out helping at a food distribution project yesterday morning. So perhaps unfortunately, I’ve become TOO acclimated to southern living. If I have to scrape frost off my windshield more than five times in a winter, I know it’s been a severe winter. LOL!

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

    #46536
    Tolik
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    GS ,
    When I relocated , I almost chose the South , because of family heritage , I chose Maine , but if I wasnt here , Tennessee would be my hands down next best choice . Fantastic state with good people .

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    Tennessee would be my hands down next best choice . Fantastic state with good people .

    A good friend of mine (retired senior Navy officer) lives in a rural area between Chattanooga and Knoxville, and absolutely loves it. He and his wife have got their own little piece of heaven. Another area I fell in love with after traveling there a couple of times to visit a specific business, was the area between Johnson City and Kingsport in the far northeastern corner. Absolutely beautiful country, but don’t know much about the people in the area. But just looking, they appear to be good, decent, “regular” folks. There are pockets of those kinds of people all over, but large cities or immediately outside them are “off limits” as far as I’m concerned – except for necessary travel or commerce. And between those two extremes lies the divide between the gun grabbers and us. If we could afford to sell our house, we’d move to just such an area. But alas, housing prices around this area for existing homes have plummeted to levels that prohibit replacement in a decent area. So we survive in place. Not too far down the road we’ll be too old to make a complete move. I don’t expect economic recovery before then, sadly.

    Two VERY nice things about Georgia, however, are the exceptional tax treatment of retirement income along with frozen property taxes, and the also exceptionally good gun laws. It’s even legal to carry in churches now, as long as the specific church has not issued its own prohibition. I can now comfortably carry my old Air Force issue survival knife, fully legally, without consequence. I just don’t frequent the private businesses that choose to prohibit guns on their property (their right – I just don’t happen to agree with them, and won’t send my money their way). But Georgia, as a State, has really done a nice job on reversing many of the bad laws that have proliferated around the country (some here in Georgia up ’til now). It ain’t perfect, but we’re FAR better off here than most states. So on balance, we could be a lot worse off – and we don’t have to even think about owning snow shovels here! (What’s a snow blower? Hah hah!)

    GS
    "Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."

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    My parents retired to Manchester, TN, between Chattanooga and Nashville and I’ve got good friends that moved to Dunlap, between Chattanooga and Knoxville. My parents loved living there. My friends tried for years to leave but couldn’t sell their home and at this point they’ve acclimated. I always liked visiting TN but its not for me on a fulltime basis.

    GS, the nice thing about the frigid north is a whole lot less snakes, bugs, and other creepy crawlies. I’d just as soon it never go over 80. The South is much more gun-friendly than is most Northern States though.

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