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  • #40921
    Malgus
    Malgus
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    Unbelievable…

    On April 20, the Cleveland City Council passed a sweeping body of gun control measures supported by Mayor Frank Jackson (D), although there is a great deal of concern about whether the measures are effective or even enforceable.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/21/cleveland-city-council-president-gun-control-needed-whether-it-works-or-not/

    From the article: “…Kelley went so far as to admit “the legislation was not designed to stop gun violence” to begin with. Instead, he hopes it will “encourage responsible gun ownership.”

    The hubris is breathtaking in it’s audacity. If you follow the link and read the entire article, there’s a list of who’s “allowed” to carry a concealed firearm…

    Predictably, if you’re not an Elite, an enforcer goon for the Elites, or someone the Elites approve of, guess what? You don’t get a license to carry concealed. Or else your existing license is ignored – even if the State recognizes it via reciprocity with other States and Commonwealths with CCW’s…

    Also, in direct violation of existing law, if you – as a private citizen – sell a firearm to another private citizen via private sale, this BS “law” requires you to snitch on yourself and the guy you sold the firearm to.

    Additionally, the “law” requires that if you own a firearm, it must be “safely stored” so as to not be “stolen” and “kept out of the hands of children”….

    Guess who gets to specify what “safely stored” means?

    Yep. The Elites.

    A common tactic is to use benign language to hide their real intentions when writing “laws” like this. Often, “safely stored” means keeping the firearm in an expensive safe – possibly disassembled- separate from ammunition – which also has to be stored in a separate, locked container – which renders a firearm effectively useless in the event that one must use it to protect oneself. Furthermore, it puts the onus on the owner of the firearm to purchase potentially cost-prohibitive safes, etc, which discriminates against the poor. Maybe a guy who wants to protect his family – because the municipality is doing such a great job against the criminal element in his neighborhood – but can only afford to buy an inexpensive handgun? You’re going to make the guy – literally force him – to buy a boat anchor of a safe to store his handgun in, plus another, separate lockbox to store the ammo?

    How will you ensure compliance? Well, that’s easy. Just pass another “law” that empowers the Enforcer Goons to walk into your house at any time for a “safety compliance” check…

    There’s more, but you get the gist of it…

    Thoughts?

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #40929
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    WhiteKnight
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    rprepper

    Thoughts…

    At least he is honest?

    I’m shocked he would admit it.

    #40931
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    Communism at work , but more guns and Ammo , the 2nd American revolution is coming .

    #40933
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    74
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    rnews

    The State of Ohio has an obligation to take them to court.

    #40934
    Whirlibird
    Whirlibird
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    member10

    Anyone else notice the return mof the jim crow laws?
    Sponsored by the dem elite at that.

    #40939
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    MountainBiker
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    Whirli, I had the same thought. The “better” citizens will be given concealed carry permits.

    The other thing that this made me think of was how glad I am that I no longer live in Massachusetts where the laws are not especially different than what they just did in Cleveland. The only time you could have an operable gun is when you had it on your person. Otherwise the ammo had to be stored separately from the gun and if the gun wasn’t in a safe then it needed to have a trigger lock or some such on it. It is at the discretion of the local police whether you can get a concealed carry license or not. You have to file a form with the local police in the town you live in, the local police in the town you are moving to (if changing towns), and with the State every time you move. That you had a concealed carry in one town is no guarantee you’ll get it in the next or even if you don’t move that the next police chief will give you a license when your renewal comes us. Private sales need to be reported to the State. No licenses from other States are recognized in MA. Mandatory year in jail if caught with a gun & no license. Must produce your license in order to buy ammo. Only specific models approved by the State Attorney General are legal in MA. Even with a LTC, there are rules for how you can legally have a gun in your vehicle. And on and on. As I said recently on another thread, every time I come back across the border into VT I feel better. MA govt. does not like VT because of our lack of gun laws. MA govt. does not like NH because of their lack of sales and income tax. Folks in VT & NH just thank their lucky stars they don’t live in MA.

    So folks, I’ve already lived the Cleveland experience, just without the urban rot and crime.

    #40941
    Malgus
    Malgus
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    MB,

    That’s intolerable..

    Anyone else find it darkly ironic that the cradle of liberty – Boston – is currently located in a socialist hellhole?

    What I find astonishing isn’t the draconian and completely arbitrary gun laws in MA… it’s that anyone still lives there.

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #40943
    Tolik
    Tolik
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    Its amazing how quickly people forget their heritage .

    #40950
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    MountainBiker
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    Yes it is ironic that ‘the shot heard ’round the world” took place in what is now suburban Boston in the modern day socialist paradise known as Massachusetts. The crazy part is that while the Revolutionary War is embedded so deeply into the history and culture of Massachusetts, they’ve truly forgotten what the war was all about. School kids learn all about the events of the war, Paul Revere, Sam Adams, and so forth but without any introspection of how antithetical modern day governance in Massachusetts is versus what the war was fought for.

    The gun ownership rate in MA is very low and so presumably most folks don’t care what the laws are. MA is a wealthy State in which people on average enjoy a higher standard of living than the country as a whole. Its many boarding schools fill up with the children of the country’s and the world’s elites, as do the many colleges. The big world class hospitals in Boston attract people from all over the world. High tech companies come for an educated and skilled workforce. It is much whiter than the country as a whole and Boston is too compared to most large cities. Having spent most of my life in MA I understand why people choose to live there. They just have different priorities than you and me. Come SHTF they won’t know what hit them. I am very glad to have left. My son is chomping at the bit to leave.

    #40976
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    sledjockey
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    MB:

    I have also found that very ironic. The birthplace of the US Revolution is now the land of Mass-holes and socialist ideology. I bet Sam Adams is rolling over in his grave at this point. Also, it makes me wonder if groups like the Sons of Liberty just went underground and are still plotting/planning… Makes for a great conspiracy theory. <that was your cue Freedom>

    The whole shift in America has really made me wonder if and when things will hit a critical mass. Obviously, with comments about gun control from the Democrats, I am not the only one.

    http://ageofdecadence.com

    #40986
    Whirlibird
    Whirlibird
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    Actually we do need gun control.
    After this last democratic senator from Detroit went after his girlfriend with a shotgun, I agree we truly need gun control.

    We need to remove all firearms from democrats, and register them so they can’t buy guns again.

    If it saves one life, it will be worth it.

    Prevent another Newtown, Aurora, Columbine, remove all democrat guns before its
    too late! Before the meds they take cause another tragedy.

    #41016
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    sledjockey
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    Whirli:

    It is not too often that I fully agree with you on something…… BUT, I do agree with this.

    Isn’t it odd how these mass shootings tend to be done by registered Dems with either bipolar disorder or depression? This should tell us something.

    http://ageofdecadence.com

    #41057
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    WhiteKnight
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    rprepper

    Yep, Mr. and Mrs. Demoncrat, turn them all in!

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