April 15, 2014 at 7:07 pm #8771
I can not say too much about mentioned militias, but yea, I agree that lot of organized armed group started like “freedom fighters” or “defenders” or similar, and at the end it was all about power and resources.
And lot of them were absolutely sure that they are doing right thing.
Simply I would love to keep my right to defend and destroy everybody who might take my liberties some day, including those who are (or state to be) defenders of that liberties.
It is quite possible for armed group to do lot of bad things in the name of the “cause”. I agree that there need to be some kind of control over the folks who are trying to control us, and it needs to be unwavering, but very often it corrupts (spoil).April 15, 2014 at 7:59 pm #8776
Here is a post from another forum. It mentions the militias who showed up at the Bundy ranch, which is why I thought I would post this.
Thoughts on the Bundy Cattle issue,
First off I don’t think and nobody should think this is over, it is not. Also I honestly don’t think Bundy had a good case, there have been far worse examples like this that were not protested and travesties occurred. This issues is much bigger than Bundy and his cattle. Media reports, Internet stories, rumors were out of this world, exaggeration, speculation and grandstanding provides color and excitement but doesn’t tell the true story. I was there Friday and Saturday for a total of about 6 hrs each day, I wish I could have spent more time there but I did what I could.
Friday I would estimate the group of people I could see to be less than 500 people. As I walked among the crowd it was clear that if someone didn’t know you they were suspicious of you, lots of rumors going around about “agent Provocateurs” there to cause trouble. That said I never seen one person act out in a way that made me feel embarrassed by our side. People were mannerly and professional but adamant about why they were there.
I headed back up Saturday morning not realizing how bad the traffic was going to be, what was normally a 1 hour drive took 3 hours with traffic that normally doesn’t exist. When I arrived and drove through the staging area and then over to the area where they were releasing the cattle I would estimate a crowd size f 1500-2000 people overall again well behaved but serious about the mission.
This is the first time I have ever seen this many US Citizens armed and pissed with a mission, It was awe inspiring and made me proud to be an American. I also want to give praise to our local Law Enforcement, Metro Sheriffs office and Nevada Hwy Patrol, they were there in force but they were not there to help the feds they were there to make sure no Nevada citizens were hurt and things stayed orderly. Sheriff Gilespie, who was the only legal authority that could stop BLM’s mission got involved and while I don’t know for sure I believe his interdiction is what made the feds back off and kept this peaceful. I know many of our local Metro guys I spoke to in confidence were on our side and felt the feds had overstepped there boundaries. I’m very please and frankly surprised it went the way it did.
The Militia members that I spoke with were disciplined, in good shape, trained and well equipped, not the typical picture of the over weight redneck wearing the Stars and Bars and carrying a Tapco decorated SKS, I was impressed by their prescience.
After the cattle had been released it was pretty much over, I had gone up with plans of spending the night but after going back to the staging area and watching the victory celebration I choose to head home. To my surprise as I was heading home in traffic I see red and blue lights and sirens coming from behind, to my surprise it was the whole gang of BLM, Park Police, various unmarked vehicles being escorted (for their own safety) from the scene by our local LE. I had to video tape it. As they drove by many were hiding their faces from the camera except a few that chose to flip me off so I can’t post the video yet until I edit out those guys faces and my comments that were not appropriate.
This whole event made me proud of my fellow patriots and give me hope that when things get really bad there are still true Americans that will stand up for what is right. Maybe the pendulum is starting to swing back the other way, we can only hope and prepare.April 15, 2014 at 8:11 pm #8778
Bugs Bunny: "I speak softly, but I carry a big stick."
Yosemite Sam: "Oh yeah? Well I speak LOUD! and I carry a BIGGER stick! and I use it, too!" BAM!April 15, 2014 at 8:11 pm #8779
The Regulars of the US army were a very small force in 1861, 16,000 men. the vast majority of Union troops were from the various state formed units. The Confederacy did not last long enough to have anything but the various state formed units.April 15, 2014 at 8:33 pm #8782
temposhot, Thank you for sharing. I am proud of you for going and proud of all Americans that went. We do need to prepare because they will not stop here. They will test us again.July 12, 2015 at 2:10 am #42454
Instead of running with my ideas about posting a topic about militias, I figured to search for a topic that is already out there in the forum.
I have my own feelings about the usefulness and viability of militias in the US but I am curious as to how others here feel about them.
I think the founders wanted all of us to help to keep the governments in line and so we the people can keep out freedoms.
I am looking into them in Florida, but I am also looking into the Oath Keepers which are in every State and are growing to every County of each State.
I think I will become part of the Oath Keepers.
Mat and Freedom, like minded, I do feel that they have their usefulness as well. I have heard of Oath Keepers, have you heard
?July 12, 2015 at 3:11 am #42456
During the Ruby Ridge congressional hearings the head of the Michigan militia on live TV complained about the US government intentionally creating tornados. I’ve never given militias a thought after seeing that.
I’m sure there are good guys in these groups, but there sre wack jobs and federal agents mixed in as well. Personally I don’t want the scrutiny a group like that brings nor do I have the desire to play a costly game in court because my shoes were tied the wrong way.July 12, 2015 at 3:34 am #42457
Search to find further information. Me? I trust them more than I do the government. I have met a few and they are true believers. So are some folks I know that are in militias and the KKK. For me the Oathkeepers do not preach or talk violence.
RobinJuly 12, 2015 at 4:25 am #42462
thats because if government and LE are obeying the Constitution , violence is not needed . However the opposite is true if the Constitution is to be defended .
” The beauty of the 2nd Amendment , is that it will never be needed , unless they try to take it away “July 12, 2015 at 9:43 pm #42463
National Guard is the militia?
A group trained by the Feds, equipped by the Feds, armed by the Feds, clothed by the Feds, fed by the Feds and drawing their paychecks from the Treasury Department is not a “militia”… they’re not even “State” troops.
The NG was sold to the individual states as a “replacement” for their militias. “Hey, you Governors can still have your troops. It will just be us Feds paying the bills though.” They jumped at it. Feds didn’t like the idea of the individual states having power that could check their own. So, they co-opted them. The Governors also wanted to be able to deploy special ops troops against the citizenry, so they reclassified SF from Reserves to NG.
The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1
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