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  • #13826
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    Here we go again, article in offgridsurvival.com about the feds doing it again. It looks like the New Mexico county board are with the rancher on this one. The BLM is testing every state to take the land from ranchers.

    Feds Seize New Mexico Ranchers Land: County orders Local Sheriff to Stop the Feds

    #13831
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    When local and state authorities start defying the central government, this is usually a sign of a government that will soon be unwinding. The fact of the matter is, no matter how many tanks or troops or intel agencies a central government has, if it commands almost no respect from the people outside it, is has no future.

    #13836
    Whirlibird
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    Tsar, well said.

     

    #13849
    Selco
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    Yes, it is bad sign. I completely agree here with Tsar. When things like this start to happen more and more it could be clear sign of bad things coming.
    I saw things like this prior the collapse in my region, and yes it will be not about amount of the force, it will be about amount of the people who will lost the trust in the government.

    Events like this will speed up things and wake up people, government will be weaker and weaker, but in the same time more willing to take tough measures.

    #13859
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    I also see that the government may know that there is a financial collapse coming and they want to take as much properties from the people.

    #13867
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    Selco Wrote:
    Yes, it is bad sign. I completely agree here with Tsar. When things like this start to happen more and more it could be clear sign of bad things coming.
    I saw things like this prior the collapse in my region, and yes it will be not about amount of the force, it will be about amount of the people who will lost the trust in the government. Events like this will speed up things and wake up people, government will be weaker and weaker, but in the same time more willing to take tough measures.

    I know in the USSR (especially in the region my relatives lived in), towards the end of the 80s, when the Soviet Union was starting to get into some real trouble (the economy was severely stagnating, and confidence in the CPSU kept dropping), local party bosses exploited local nationalism’s, to the point of the NKAO region (Armenian region in the Azerbaijani SSR) voted to join the Armenian SSR without ANY approval what so ever from Moscow. For many reasons, the central government out of Moscow was not able to stop this, and it ended up sparking anti Armenian pogroms in Azerbaijan, which turned into a massive expulsion of Azeri’s from Armenia, which turned into a full blown war in the 90’s.

    When towns and cities in the caucuses region started turning into war zones starting in 1988, a mental wall fell down for many people in the rest of the USSR, most people thought along the lines of

    “But it could never happen here, not in our tolerant country!”

    The spirit of rebellion spread. Soon everywhere from the Baltic’s to Central Asia was beginning to stand up to the Moscow government. Come 1991, the Soviet Superpower was a done with.

    The process will likely play out a bit different here (for instance, even if people hate the federal government, I think there is still enough cultural ties between many people for some type of “new union” of multiple regions to emerge, though it will be smaller than what we have now.)

    Just some thoughts I have. I think there are some cases where what happened to the USSR can help us figure out what might happen to the US.

    #13872
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    Yes history will help us and teach us how to handle how to emerge from the collapse that is coming. Regions will be divided and new unions will emerge. But before that happens there will be a civil war of some type, rebellion will spread all over. It will not be pretty for years.

    #14052
    Tolik
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    THe Nazi’s were very efficient , if you study their model , and build a few Auschwitz camps , we could have a final solution very quickly for all the libs and feds we capture in the coming revolution . Then start a round up of all who ever voted for anything that violated the constitution , and have a Stalinist purge .

    #14053
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    Tolik,

    Even though what is what they would do us, I think we would do better in the long run to be more humanistic. We can still vilify them so it doesn’t happen again, use them as examples in schools to indoctrinate children against progressives, etc, etc.

    #14096
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    I am very suspicious of talk like that Tolik, I think it is dangerous.

    First, I still like to think idealism in America has some weight. Part of what makes America America, is that you can be anything from a Nazi, to a socialist. It is at the core of our being to have minimal roadblocks to our expression.

    Second…. what is exactly a “lib” anyway? These kind of thing’s can get out of hand *VERY* fast. Before you know it, you could have a Committee for Public Safety, wonton purges of millions of people (including many people who are not “libs” at all), and become no better then what you tried to replace.

    No doubt I hate the moral crusaders of the militant left–but Auschwitz is not the way.

    God knows the mot anti liberal thing we could practice anyway, would be to have actual standards and rules, and to not just succumb to every emotion that comes to us. The real radical liberalism is the legacy of unchecked political romanticism. The conservatives of old had restraint, standards, and vision.

    No offense to you Tolik, I like you as a person, but it just hits me the wrong way when I hear talk like that (both left and right).

    Besides, logically, from your standpoint–if you really want to get tough on the opposition, Putin, not Hitler, offers both a way more effective, and way more humane and pluralistic model. Why do vivisection’s and gas chambers when a few thugs and some mildly repressive laws would do anyway to deal with radicals?

     

    #14138
    Tolik
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    I also believe in Death for treason , peace or war ………going against the constitution is treason .

    #14143
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    <div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Tolik wrote:</div>
    I also believe in Death for treason , peace or war ………going against the constitution is treason .

    The moral principle is not as same as the practical action. In this case, the best outcome would be to just silently remove the current powers that be, and maybe jail some of the high profile offenders.

    If you really want to play the violence game, it will devolve into every minor infraction turning into an act of “treason.”

    Violent revolutions are rarely glorious. The Russian and French revolutions would point this fact out very well.

    #14151
    Tolik
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    Ours was very glorious . of corse , if not for the French , would not have been a success . Washington was not the best general …….however the only reason he was chosen , was because he was the only man that both the Northern and Southern colonies would stand behind …………North and South hated each other , even back then . Arnold was actually a better choice for the battlefield . But when it was all over , there was a purge , all the torries were no longer welcome and were persuaded to leave the country or were deported  , or burned out .

    #14160
    Robin
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    The BLM and a few other agencies are like spoiled children without a parent to correct them.

    Some folks in Texas have started a campaign to make Texas a Republic, again!

    Robin

    #14161
    Tolik
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    Robin , so many are praying that Texas leads the way and drops out , if she does , There will be a chain reaction of other states ………….but we need Texas to take the lead .

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