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  • #46939
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    GS,
    I agree it’s most likely Borderline Personality Disorder, but I can tell you, people with this diagnosis don’t actually control “everything” they think, say and do. There is a compulsivity factor that removes the filters normal people have. When you flip the switch to the anger side there is no reasoning, well not that makes any sense. Everything else you stated is 100% on the money.

    Tolik,
    I couldn’t disagree more. Families living with individuals suffering from various forms of mental illness have tremendous struggles. Most of the time the family can’t find any help.

    #46940
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    Only the top 4 need to keep going, All the rest need to drop out.

    When I say the top four, it is the top four on all the polls.

    That’s exactly my point. You’re wanting to allow the media and the polling companies to shape public opinion in order to totally eliminate “certain” candidates – before a single vote has even been cast. I absolutely reject that notion. If some guy (or woman) doesn’t plan their campaign well enough and runs out of money, or they just don’t have the energy left to continue the campaign, and THEY take themselves out of the process, fine. We wouldn’t want them in the White House messing with the money of the entire nation, or not having the energy to keep at it for a minimum of four years. Otherwise, let all the voices be heard by the broad population, in detail, and let the people make up their minds at the voting booths. If campaigns want to do their own polling to sharpen their strategies, that’s legitimate. But of what value is a poll to a VOTER? It’s only of “value” if they want to let the majority make up that voter’s mind and determine his or her vote. I’d just as soon have NO publicly available polls prior to the election. They only shape opinions, and anybody with even just a bachelors degree in sociology understands the massive power of “group think.” There are very grim experiments that have shown that people can be induced to actually cause harm to others, simply because of peer pressure, or “group think.” And that’s just what your “top four” plan does.

    #46942
    Tolik
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    74, been there , done that , there is a big difference between mentally ill …….the real thing , and some normal person with personality quirks , or in a stage of life that is rough going , life happens , that gets diagnosed with whatever , that in reality there is nothing wrong with that person, that being pointed in the right direction , and some time to get their head together wont cure . They diagnose everything in this country as a ‘disorder ‘ , why ? so they have to pay for counseling , or shrink , and be given a drug to ‘ alleviate ” the symptoms . I’ve seen it too many times with my own eyes . In a lot of the cases , the drugs do more harm than good .

    GS,
    Yes and no , thats one good thing about the write in option we have in this country . We can vote for Mickey Mouse if we wish to . Ron Paul was subject to the same things you describe , and in that I agree with you , the people with low popularity should drop out for the good of the race , and the party of their own merit , they stay in out of ego rather than actual chances for the nomination . Ron Paul was pushed out , BUT the voter still had the option of voting for him anyway ………which many did . That is the responsibility of the voter , if they dont do that ……………….you cant fix stupid . The voter has the choice , always , if they choose to do it or not is another matter ………but they have the option no matter what the media says .

    #46944
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    it’s most likely Borderline Personality Disorder

    Actually, if either of them does cross the line and qualify for a personality disorder diagnosis (my strong guess is that they do), I’d not suspect borderline. Borderlines are much too “all over the board,” but different from histrionic personality disorder, who can also be “all over the board.” But I’d still go with the so-called “Cluster B” personality disorders. (That was at least still in DSM-IV – I haven’t bothered to get familiar with DSM-5 because, frankly, I don’t care now that I’m out of the “business.” And as flawed as DSM I through IV were, I know enough about what they were trying to do with DSM-5 that I just kissed the profession goodbye, and walked away, quite happily). If you really deeply study narcissistic personality disorder, it is a very, very scary one – it’s not just all about being all about yourself. Oh, Barack certainly exhibits that part of it certainly, but if a true NPD is crossed, they can get very, very nasty — and very dangerous. Then there’s the “antisocial” – which term I have hated since they changed it from the much more descriptive terms used in earlier editions. At least previously, they were “sociopaths,” and sometimes even “psychopaths.” But the latter term makes most people think of the shower scene in Hitchcock’s “Psycho.” “Antisocial” merely implies just not wanting to be around people, at most, “against society,” at least in most people’s understanding of the word – the loner type. At least earlier versions of the diagnosis included the “path” (pathology) ingredient, suggesting something much worse for other people exposed to the “antisocial.” It’s FAR more than that, and like the narcissist, the antisocial is highly manipulative for his own gain, and he doesn’t care about who he hurts in the process of getting from point A to his intended point B. There are a lot of similarities between the two, but some important differences as well. But the most important feature, as far as I’m concerned, is the potential to truly injure (including death) others in pursuit of their interests. Borderlines aren’t charming – they’re a pain in the butt to be around, and almost impossible to maintain an ongoing relationship with. To an extent, the latter can be said about narcissists and antisocials, but there is much more of a plotting quality with them, whereas the borderline can be madly in love with you one moment and extol your virtues upon the housetops, and suddenly consider you the spawn of the devil, and they’ll let the whole world know that, too. It’s what’s going un UNDER the surface with the narcissists and antisocials that is really concerning. By the time you find out, it’s already too late.

    I suspect you can guess which categories I’d choose for Barack and The Donald – and they’re not the same. And again, whether they truly cross the diagnostic line or not, I don’t know. Even qualified professionals interviewing and testing them could come to different conclusions. What I am certain of in my own mind, however, is that Obama’s very, very dangerous to the United States of America as an entity regardless of any labels that might be put on him (or not), and DO NOT get in Trump’s way either – he craves power, and whether intended or not, that could also bring down the nation. When they miscalculate, things blow up (and in the world we live in, that could be quite literal).

    And yes, serious true mental disorders are a tragedy, for the individual, the family and coworkers (if they still maintain employment), and society as a whole. I had a sibling that truly did suffer with mental illness, yet until it fully “blossomed,” was able to do some incredible work for a small defense-related company, and subsequently a major name player in the defense industry. I actually saw some of the printed work before termination of employment became necessary, and it was absolutely brilliant. What a loss to the world, to the family, and to me personally. To watch the deterioration was gut wrenching, and even after death the consequences continue, due to the effect on children that had to grow up in that environment. They are not in any way an asset to society – fortunately only one of them ever had children of their own.

    And treatment is too often inadequate even from a competency standpoint. In my own family member’s case, there was extensive treatment at a well known and respected facility – and they could not save my family member. Plus, funding is entirely politically motivated, and has all but dried up. Often times treatment isn’t even available at any price or level of competency (or lack thereof). In my own state, the number of counties not even having a SINGLE licensed mental health professional is very disturbing – and we’re not even close to the bottom. I’ve previously been significantly involved in my own state professional organization, supposedly one of the best in the nation, and I gave up. I ramped up my participation when I retired, hoping to make a difference from a different direction, by “giving back” to the profession. After several years, I just gave up and walked away – I don’t believe in practice bleeding by banging my head against brick walls. My blood pressure’s down, I took off some unneeded pounds, and have other fully measurable health changes that are wonderful to experience. And my wife likes me even more these days! ;-)

    #46947
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    GS,
    As I said, I don’t know what Trump actually is exhibiting, but I do know it’s something observable. Glad to hear you were able to move away from the stress. For myself I deal with it on my wife’s side of the family. Sometimes it’s a day by day thing.

    #46949
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    Tolik, at least here, the write-in option does not exist at the national level. It’s not on the electronic machines, and when I asked, they said they had no mechanism for accepting an alternate write-in candidate.

    As for the clearly “ain’t gonna make it’ candidates, I have to wonder if they’re there by direction – capture JUST enough votes to send the convention into chaos where nobody wins. I truly believe that’s what they feared with Ron Paul, because he possibly had enough delegates that were highly committed and couldn’t be pushed around by Reince Priebus and Company (and very sadly to me, that included Mitt Romney himself), and those delegates would keep a majority from emerging for any other candidate. They didn’t want to change the rules in a way that would make national headlines (so they did it on Day-1 JUST to get rid of Ron Paul, and nobody covered it). That way, they wouldn’t have to go into smoke-filled rooms and emerge with the ANNOUNCED candidate, which would really cause a rebellion within the party. I see that as a real possibility with both parties this time – keeping O’Malley in the Democrat line up so “adjustments” can be made at the convention, depending on what happens to Hillary legally. And with the long list of Republicans, they may be HOPING for a deadlock at the convention – so they can work their secret magic at the RNC top level, and select their candidate for us.

    Still I say, let ‘em all run, unless they personally choose to quit, or run out of money.

    I well remember the 1968 World Series. I was privileged to sit just to the left of home plate, not many rows back – absolutely incredible seat! But what was better was the fact that Detroit was down 3 games to one against the Cardinals. EVERYBODY had counted the Tigers out – with apparent good reason. Three long games later, Detroit won it in seven. Or the 1980 Holiday Bowl where BYU was down 45-25 toward the end of the game. And many BYU fans were leaving the stadium. Then McMahon threw a touchdown pass, BYU intercepted an onside kick fumble and turned it into a quick score, and with 13 seconds left on the clock, BYU regained possession, still down 45-39. Two incomplete passes later, McMahon tossed up one more as the clock ran out – caught in the end zone. Point after touchdown kick also good. 46-45, BYU.

    Don’t EVER discount the great philosopher, Lawrence Peter Berra, who once famously remarked, “It ain’t over ’til it’s over.” There could be some blockbuster surprises in the works, or even completely unexpected. Yogi said so.

    #46951
    Tolik
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    Interesting , I have never been to an electronic voting area , I always had a mail in ballot with early voting .

    #46952
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    Tolik, My parents are doing early voting and mailing there ballot so I do not see a problem you doing the same.

    #46953
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    Yogi was smarter than the average Berra, but I think we’re down to the point that only multiple miracles could save a nation, the majority of whose citizens no longer comprehend the value (let alone the necessity) of sovereignty, liberty, and industry, though they want the prosperity that those former virtues produce. I’ll keep my eyes open for the surprises — positive and negative.

    More than one rat in the race — any political mavens, check out the snarly deal-making fantasy a brokered convention could provide. Jeb’s still back in the pack, and his minions are ready to toss spikes on the track, PRN.

    Cry, "Treason!"

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    #46955
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    Tec, I fully agree overall. I’ve believed we are “done” for quite some time now. The denial breakthrough for me came with Thomas Sowell’s absolute answer, “No,” to the question just days before the 2012 election as to whether the US could survive as a constitutional republic if Obama gained a 2nd term. I didn’t want to stop believing in those kinds of miracles back then – this is the United States, after all, with a governing document like none other in the world – if only we’d use it. But of course the US couldn’t cease to be the US as we knew it – some bumps in the road, perhaps, but still the US. That fantasy thinking is gone, for me. My reference to Yogi and unexpected outcomes was ONLY pertaining to forcing candidates out of campaigning based solely on manipulated polls and broadcast network rules, in connection with the DNC and RNC, and all that political theater. I just want to let the candidates campaign, hear all the positions (in detail), listen to some true debate, and then vote. I don’t want to know what percentage of people believe this or that candidate, favor some other candidate, or whatever. It doesn’t matter to me what “most people” think. Number one, polling organizations ain’t what they used to be in terms of legitimate polling methods, and number two, they aren’t honest OR unbiased. (But then again, a biased poll is a dishonest poll….)

    As for me, I want a paper ballot, with a matching numbered receipt, with no one having the number matched with who the voter was. Then when there’s a clearly rigged election, I want people to be able to go in and present their numbered receipts, be able to look at a copy of their own matched, numbered ballot, and know what was counted. I don’t care how long results take – just let them be paper ballots that can be verified at ANY time after the election, by the very voter that supposedly filled out ballot number such-and-such. And if I don’t like the names on the ballot, give me a blank line for a write-in.

    But that issue is a whole ‘nother story, based on some absolutely blatant lying, cheating, and stealing of an election right in my own district a number of years ago. It was even reported to the paper that ran a story, as well as the Secretary of State (our state, not US), and finally the Federal Elections Commission. I know because I read the newspaper account about just how many people had complained about the same “impossible” circumstances with their votes, and I wrote the Sec. of State’s office as well as the FEC. Pointless waste of time. I just don’t want the process taken even further out of my own hands.

    #46956
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    If you guys think that a brokered convention will work on the people that voted you are nuts. More then ever you will see no one going to vote. We the People will not except what they want period. I will not vote! I know so many that would stay home. A brokered convention is a win for the Socialist. Will be the end of the GOP.

    #46957
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    All the old Rhinos which includes every single one except the non politicians are all in the bag for the banks. All you need to do is look at who is donating for there campaigns. Even Rand Paul has banks giving him donations.

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    #46960
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    L Tecolote
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    Freedom, I mentioned the brokered convention to say that in this feuderal government, what the voters of the RINO party want (and to a lesser extent, the DINO party), has relatively little effect on what the money people who control the party’s convention will furnish them as a candidate. One of the questions I suspect has been polled for, but for which no results will ever be announced is, “what percentage of the ordinary party members will hold their noses and vote for what they consider “the lesser of two evils?”

    As for the pols all being in the bag for the banks, it matters little whether they are or not. At this point, the country’s broke beyond its ability to pay, and can only become more so, as long as we continue to use a borrowed (debt) currency issued by a foreign-owned organization external to the government. The Fed, with the help of the IMF and the BIS (and to the delight of almost every other nation on earth) can raise interest rates, refuse to refi, or flood us with enough additional phony currency to float Jupiter, whenever it isn’t getting the kind of laws and policies it wants — applied to us — and therefore holds our (so-called) “economy” in its slimy hands. The most “independent” prez in the world can’t defy the banksters unless he wants the nation to go through the kinds of war that a planet united against us could bring — all because we have a citizenry, the majority of which, like a sniveling, lazy first-grader, refuses to exercise their brains enough to understand what’s really going on, preferring the entertainment value of sports, comedy, or the clumsy, time-wasting, melange of them both, televised “debates.”

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

    “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” – Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #46963
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    L Tecolote, I am not raging on you just pointing out that a brokered convention would end the GOP party as we know it. On the bankers there plan is much larger then we think. The one world order with a reset of a one world currency maybe the plan, who knows. But they do control all in Washington. The non politicians may start by not being controlled by the bankers but in the end even then may end up under there control.

    What stops them (slows them down) is We The People voting the non politicians into office.

    I like your “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” – Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.

    The Rothschild are still in power and there plan is still in the works for the end game of a One World Order. They are the mean banker. Rothschild’s have the hands in everything world wide.

    #46964
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    Freedom – let me ask you a question. Suppose Donald Trump wins the primaries, and goes to the convention with the majority of delegates. And suppose the RNC decides that’s not a good thing, and does a much larger version of what they did to Ron Paul, and (for example) strips Trump of a number of his delegates, to an extent that there’s no longer a majority. Remember, many of the primaries are now proportional – it’s no longer winner take all. So it’s quite conceivable that Trump, for example could have a relatively small majority, because in many states that he “wins,” he still doesn’t take home ALL of the delegates. So Cruz, or Rubio, or Bush, or whoever somehow ends up a close 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th. And with a few Trump delegates disqualified and replaced by decree of the RNC (as they did with Ron Paul), you end up with one of the current candidates that you just don’t want as the Republican candidate for POTUS.

    Fast forward to November. Hillary has been indicted, and enough people bolted from her campaign that Bernie wins. Or alternately, the powers that be at the DNC decide Hillary is too vulnerable for November, and they, too, rig their convention, and Bernie is running in November for President, with Elizabeth Warren as VP, out of a brokered convention. Either way, it’s Bernie, let’s just say.

    So – are you going to stick by your “if they do a brokered convention I will not vote” pledge? Will you REALLY sit back and not do anything at all to avoid a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren presidency, just because you’re rightfully infuriated at the RNC for thumbing their noses at the voters, and choosing “your” candidate for you? (By the way – that’s my argument right now – the RNC/Fox News Complex is determining your candidate as we converse on this very subject.) Whatcha gonna do with a Committee-selected Republican candidate that did NOT win the primaries, up against Ol’ Bern? Dogmatism can get people into trouble that’s worse than where they started…. (LaVoy Finicum discovered that in a most terminal manner this week, leaving a daughter that clearly loved her dad, and thought the world of him, without a dad for the rest of her life. And for what? But at least he stuck to his “guns.”)

    I’ve already gone through my outrage four years ago at the Republican Party thugs and what they did all over this country to one candidate (Ron Paul). My own state was the place where one of the most egregious examples of delegate rigging took place (Athens, Clarke County, GA). The YouTube videos clearly, unarguably, documented it. And then there was Day-1 of the 2012 Republican Convention, with the rules changes and “firing” of key Paul delegates. Nope – I’ve already been through those outrages. But I haven’t chosen to take my marbles and just go home and then allow others to continue doing more of the same with even less opposition.

    Your call….

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