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    Jay
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    It is obvious that a tribe living in the deep jungles of Papua New Guinea won’t be as much troubled with any breakdown of society as someone who lives in New York City.

    Few of us consider selling all their possessions, sharpening spears and joining tribes halfway around the globe but of course there are less extreme places to relocate to.

    I did a bit research on this a few years ago and New Zealand came out as a pretty nice place with low population density and plenty of resources.

    So have you ever considered leaving your country and living somewhere else? What places do you think could be suitable for you?

    Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")

    #15447
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    tweva
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    rreallife

    It may have sounded attractive at times over the years, but no. I’ve never seriously considered it. Upon thinking a bit why that is I guess it comes down to the fact I simply believe I landed where God thought best for me to learn the lessons I need to learn in this life.

    The country I have always felt the biggest affinity for (not a good SHTF country), inexplicably, is Ireland. Would I move there? No.

    #15452
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    freedom
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    rnews

    Jay, My father and mother got me out an age four from Cuba. I am not moving any were. Cuba is were I was born but America is my Country were God also thought best for me. This is the best Country in the world and I will die here.

    Leaving your Country is not an option for me. We need to battle evil head on. Dieing free is like living.

    When Cuba was free the money said Country and Freedom. When Castro took over he changed the saying to Country or Death. Well that is Communism Death! Molon Labe!

    #15454
    Toby C
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    When I made the decision to leave the UK I had 4 countries short listed. Canada, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand. I settled on Sweden. Yes, selling everything and relocating is quite the challenge!

    #15460
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    Once again history is a great teacher. A gentleman from the UK concerned about WWII breaking out in Europe, decided to move to a tropical island where he and his family would be safe.

    He moved to Midway Island in the Pacific. Needless to say the war came to him in a very real way.

    Like others, though sorely tempted sometimes, I am where God wants me. So this is where I will stay.

    #15462
    elijah
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    Australia has a number of things going for it, in that it has a low population for the habitable land compared to much of the world, is a long way from political trouble spots, and a first world level of infrastructure. While it also has bush fires and poisonous reptiles and spiders, these are not major players in the overall way of life. However, it does suffer droughts from time to time. Because of this I’ve wondered sometimes about going to New Zealand, which I don’t think is as dry as Australia.

    Bugs Bunny: "I speak softly, but I carry a big stick."
    Yosemite Sam: "Oh yeah? Well I speak LOUD! and I carry a BIGGER stick! and I use it, too!" BAM!

    #15495
    Tolik
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    I have ………..but there is almost no place left that isnt socialist , and I refuse to live in a third world nation . Besides , why should I leave , when its THEY that need to be kicked out , and my Confederate blood will not let me run from them , but rather stay here , put on my grey kepi and fight them . The old saying , if your running from something , its going to follow you wherever you go . If somebody wants to tuck tail and run ……..THEY win ! better to grab your gun and fight to take your country back .

    #15500
    Robin
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    I had an urge for a long time to settle down in Costa Rica. Yearly wage was about one of my monthly VA disability checks. A Marine Corp Staff Sargent put the bug in me. He has/had a place close to the eastern side of the country.
    What I like about the country is they have no army. They spend that money on education.
    Robin

    #15515
    Tolik
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    Robin , I knew a woman who got hurt on the job . She is on permanent disability , she went to live in Bulgaria , she said her money lets her live very well and its actually a very pretty country , she lives on the coast and loves it , she takes the train to Italy once in awhile because its not far away . But if you like tropical , then Samoa might be better than Costa Rica , low population , self sustaining , and wont be affected by the world very much . Just dont get fat lol .

    #15516
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    Kiwi25
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    Well I live in NZ and can confirm that it has advantages for SHTF as it has low population and a nice climate. Think of it as California upside down, warm in the north, cold in the south, but with ocean on both sides. A “maritime climate”, and great for farming without the need for irrigation and in the north, mild winter. You are never too far from the ocean. Like California, we have earthquakes. NZ is a major food exporter so that will not be an issue. Firearms laws are reasonable compared to Australia and Europe.. but no handguns and AK47s.
    However like Australia, MOST people live in cities esp Auckland, so there will still be problems there. Immigration to NZ is not easy unless you have a skill, and are young. Lots of Asians immigrating here in the last decade.. South Africans too.
    I have lived in Samoa too…:-)… and tho I liked it, I would not recommend it. It is overpopulated and rather 3rd world in parts. They do not respect “property” too much. HOT… as you get older you do not handle the heat so well. Ownership of land is an issue.

    Several people have written about the issue of being the “odd one out” in another land. In NZ white people are normal and english is the language. That is a big plus.

    #15517
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    Kiwi25
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    No Lyme disease either.. a constant worry in the USA for rural dwellers. No snakes.. we go crashing thru the brush in way the Americans can’t believe. No bears or dangerous wildlife.

    #15518
    Selco
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    Yes, I did consider it seriously in some periods of my life. Australia sounds cool to me :)
    On the other hand I would not like to be stranger somewhere when SHTF, it can be hard.

    #15540
    elijah
    elijah
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    Which brings up a point worth emphasizing: wherever one goes to live and you can be seen as an outsider, work hard to become involved in the community. Be kind, generous with your time and help, and speak well of people behind their backs. Do everything you can to become an accepted part of the community and seen as an asset; it may pay dividends when bad times come.

    Bugs Bunny: "I speak softly, but I carry a big stick."
    Yosemite Sam: "Oh yeah? Well I speak LOUD! and I carry a BIGGER stick! and I use it, too!" BAM!

    #15560
    Malgus
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    I will say this.

    Even though our family has one foot in Europe and one foot here in the US, I am a Southron born and bred. This is my place and I will not be moved, come hell or high water… if that means I go down defending what’s mine, then that is what that means.

    My wife and son, however, are a different story. When TSHTF, they will be put on a plane or boat (whichever is still operational) with as much PM’s as they can carry, some precious few belongings and they are to make their way to Europe, and then to Finland. Yep, Finland. Stable, economically sound, good people, even if it’s a bit cold and their national language is 10 different kinds of jacked up. Good educational system. Finland is marginal, which is why I chose it as a refuge for them.

    I’ve done the tropical thing… too hot and lotsa bugs. Snakes and jaguars too. And those jacked up spiders that are so damn big, they catch and eat birds. The Black Palm – which is a tree so messed up, if you touch it, it instantly infects and is agonizingly painful. The poisonous barbs break off under the skin and go septic almost instantly. If you get mad and chop it down, the sap is poisonous. If you get mad and burn it, the fumes are poisonous as well. It is one effed up tree that should not exist. Just leave it alone. Sea snakes, which, if they bite you, you got like 15 minutes to make your peace with God – there ain’t no antivenin in existence. Then there’s that little green bastard of a snake that hangs down from the trees and looks like a vine – it bites you when you walk by… used to call it the two-stepper. It bites you, you take two steps and then keel over. Bushmasters, which will kill you just because they’re mean as ****. Malaria. Yellow Fever. Other hideous crawly things… yeah, you all can have that ****. If you’re on the coast in a reasonable area, or near a reasonable area where a man can at least get a good meal and a cold beer (even if it does taste like piss) once in awhile, then it ain’t that bad.

    Just stay out of the jungle.

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #15633
    Jay
    Jay
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    Yeah it makes sense like all of you in the US, I also stay where I like it most (even though this isnt the best place for me once SHTF, but at least its not the worst either).

    When I made the decision to leave the UK I had 4 countries short listed. Canada, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand. I settled on Sweden. Yes, selling everything and relocating is quite the challenge!

    What made you do it? I know a bit from our private conversations how you live and it is very much in touch with nature. Was that the main reason for the move?

    A true Kiwi speaking! :) Great to hear your take on this from the ground. Want to ship me some cheap icebreaker socks anytime soon? hehe

    What I like about the country is they have no army. They spend that money on education.

    Wow that’s quite interesting. I was always a bit bothered by everything South American because of all the bad news about crime and violence. Surprised to hear this.

    Which brings up a point worth emphasizing: wherever one goes to live and you can be seen as an outsider, work hard to become involved in the community. Be kind, generous with your time and help, and speak well of people behind their backs. Do everything you can to become an accepted part of the community and seen as an asset; it may pay dividends when bad times come.

    I think this can’t be emphasized enough. A well integrated guy with skills in a good community is probably better prepared than the local grumpy lone wolf who might have all the equipment but not enough hands to use all of it when its needed.

    Just stay out of the jungle.

    Jungle in South East Asia isnt as bad as in South America. Yeah, we do have a couple of snakes (cobras and such) and a bit of Malaria (mostly near hill tribe villages) but other than that there is little to worry about in the jungle. The bears are small, tigers are just a few left (unfortunately… beautiful animals) and thats about it. Even the local tarantulas are the smaller kind and usually hide in holes! :)

    Alea iacta est ("The die has been cast")

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