October 26, 2015 at 7:04 am #44633
Could it be that there is indeed a genetic lineage that is literally and fundamentally evil?
If the KJV reflects real people and real events, then there is a significant clue there. Lamech (not Noah’s father, but the other one 5 generations descended from Cain) killed a young man (Gen 4):
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
One could wonder what would make the murder committed by Lamech more than 10 times worse than the one committed by his great-great-great grandfather Cain, five generations earlier. There are answers, but this is not the forum for that discussion. What can be considered just from the above however, is that there is a lineage in which evil inherently (genetically?) exists. And there was something profoundly more evil concerning the murder Lamech committed in comparison to the murder of Abel 5 generations previously. Add to that the existence of other significant evidence that Cain’s lineage (which included Lamech) survived the flood through Ham’s wife. It’s a long, involved story, but if true, clearly points to a lineage surviving today that is very fundamentally evil. They do not think like us, because they are motivated and influenced by a different source that we fortunately can not really comprehend.
Buying into that story or not, the history of the world certainly does suggest that there are people on this earth that are indeed fundamentally evil. And they exist in all parts of the world. There is no negotiating with them.October 26, 2015 at 10:54 am #44635
Oh, one can negotiate with them.
But much like arguing with liberals, it is pointless.
Spend some time conversing with a child molester and you’ll know how accurate that statement is.October 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm #44636
This discussion could be moved to the Religion & Faith topic area.
. “but if true, clearly points to a lineage surviving today that is very fundamentally evil.” GS. The very fact that the story of Cain & Able is included in the first book of Genesis should hold some significance in this regard. I know it does for me.October 26, 2015 at 12:52 pm #44637
Europe is literally committing suicide at the behest of the ruling class. Unless the people rise up and stop it, in a generation or two Europe will have become a collection of Islamic States descending into a new Dark Age. Here in the US the White House is doing its best to destroy the country with unchecked immigration across the southern border and I suspect we’ll soon enough start to see very large numbers of Muslim “refugees”. While there seems to be a common theme there, I’m not 100% convinced what is driving O is the same as what is driving Merkel and the gang. There is also a very big difference between Central American/Mexican immigrants and the Islamic onslaught happening in Europe. The Central Americans/Mexicans will largely assimilate in a generation or two. The Muslims never will. Culturally the US will change somewhat due to the influx of Central Americans/Mexicans but that has always been the case when large numbers of new ethnic groups arrived. There was a time when the US didn’t have much in the way of Catholics or Jews but heavy immigration changed the mix dramatically. The goal of the Central Americans/Mexicans is to get their piece of the American dream, not to fundamentally destroy the country. Coming back to O vs Merkel, I think a good chunk of his motivation is simply the chip on his shoulder having been born black and in his early years raised Muslim, and then transitioning to living in a white Christian dominated country. To the extent he can “brown” America he can reduce the influence of whites in the election booths. To the extent he can increase the Muslim population he can reduce the influence of Christianity. In a nutshell I think he abhors the America that was and is doing what he can to make it truly multicultural.October 26, 2015 at 1:21 pm #44638
I don’t believe Obama is interested in multiculturalism. I think he wishes to eliminate the influence & remove power of white Europeans. In essence the same thing is in the making for Europe. About 20 years ago I was told there were plans to eliminate whites from the US. I laughed it off as impossible. Not so much now.October 26, 2015 at 1:43 pm #44640
22 years ago ,
i was still a kid riding the subway down town,
there was this strange gut shouting and walking up and down ….
whe muslims will take over your world..!!! and there is nothing you can do about it !!!,
back than it scared me and looking around me people started laughing to this guy,
making fun of him standing there in his white dress a long beard and sandals….
sinds than i see things go down the tube ….and when i told people about it the where so ignorant,
i was a white racist punk kid with no brains , whe all should embrace other people the told me ,
later when i started sailing comercial shiping vessels and travel the globe …..
i got more and more concerned about the islamic religion …..
now the year 2015 i see a big pile of **** growing and growing ,
that fan getting closer and closer what can whe people do ?
i know some answers butt than i will be getting house calls
and you all know what i mean…..October 26, 2015 at 2:16 pm #44641
Spend some time conversing with a child molester and you’ll know how accurate that statement is.
WB, I have considerable experience interviewing such people, as well as dealing with the aftermath. Your statement could not be more accurate. A former district attorney once presented at a forum on child abuse that was significantly attended both by mental health professionals and law enforcement. In a manner that many would simply see as stereotypically representative of Southern (US) sheriffs and DAs, when it came his time to speak on the panel, he simply said, “The only effective treatment for a child molester is a Smith and Wesson aspirin tablet between the eyeballs!” He shut up and all the social workers were horrified! He went on to be a very successful, no-nonsense judge. And little did almost anybody there realize how right he was. (I recognize that there are some that were, through no fault of their own, molested as children and who later go on to do the same kinds of things as part of the horrible aftermath that devastates innocent victims’ minds and emotions. Where to draw the line on compassion vs. extermination, I do not know. But I still know that I would NEVER completely trust anyone that reaches adulthood and is continuing that behavior. I do not believe we have the treatment technology to assure “success” and therefore safety of others. And beyond that, I do not know how to separate out those individuals from the fundamentally evil ones. I’ll leave that one to God to sort out beyond this life, and be content to keep them all out of society until then. I directly dealt with that issue too long with too many perps as well as victims to know otherwise. As an aside that you, WB, will particularly appreciate I think, we called those attorneys that represented such people “coperps.” They are the lowest form of lawyer. I know you understand.)
At the same time, and taking nothing away from your statement about that category of people (I simply cannot apply the term “human beings” to them), there are other categories of people that equally lack the characteristics needed to qualify them as human beings in the moral sense of that term. It’s a classification that goes beyond either amoral or immoral, and includes a fundamentally motivating desire/need to inflict pain, horror, and domination beyond the comprehension of real human beings. Some “merely” follow along as perpetrators of unspeakable horrors, others gather up armies of those individuals to reign with blood and horror. The evidence is there. Placing a young pilot in a cage in public, surrounding him with a flammable substance, then trailing that substance out of the cage so he has to watch the flame approaching before it engulfs him, and then posting the video for the world to see, is just one example of that kind of delight – the delight capable ONLY by those who are beyond redemption (either in an eternal sense, or in the more earthly use of the term). Rounding up dozens or more people of all ages and both genders, simply for the sake of brutally torturing them, desecrating their bodies in every possibly way, professionally filming it, and parading the video to the world, is another example. These are people that are fundamentally, irredeemably evil. There can be neither negotiation nor appeasement of any sort with them in any degree. The scriptural account is actually found and/or referenced in several places, but the KJV New Testament account in Rev 12 provides the pattern that will have to be followed on earth as well – one way or another (added highlighting is mine):
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Whether one accepts that account as literal or just metaphorical, the lesson is the same. They must be removed from this sphere of existence as well. While they clearly cannot recruit “the whole world,” they “deceiveth the whole world.” Otherwise governments and others would not attempt to negotiate, appease, etc. Let them go meet whatever virgins or unexpected alternate surprises await them. They are incapable of remorse or rehabilitation. As I said previously, they are motivated by a factor people like us simply cannot even wrap our heads around. There are bad people, there are people that do bad things, there are people that make serious mistakes in life. And there is a separate category altogether of fundamental evil. I have no doubt that the individual in Dutch Viking’s 3rd video (the bearded wonder being interviewed in the red or orange shirt that says he “will welcome ISIS army in Europe with open arms”) is one of them. To call him a “refugee” is beyond total B.S. The Trojan horse concept is so very applicable. That video, despite incomplete and flawed translation problems and subtitles, is ironically highly instructive, because at the same time it also should not even be given air time to motivate and attract similar types.October 26, 2015 at 2:38 pm #44642
This discussion could be moved to the Religion & Faith topic area.
74, I appreciate that thought and initially briefly considered it, but decided against it. I fully recognize that it could be fascinating, and could possibly generate a good bit of discussion. But it goes very deep, and is a subject at that depth that I’ve only discussed with a handful of people (maybe two, since over time the number could require slightly more than one set of fingers to count) on a purely individual basis, face to face. I have some very strongly developed beliefs in that area, but also find it a subject that I think is unwise to discuss in much detail in most cases, and certainly with any degree of frequency. I would also have to know a good bit about anyone with whom I discussed it.
I now spend very little time even thinking in that direction – it is not good for the soul. Therefore, it’s generally best to stay away from such discussions and thought processes – that’s the conclusion I have come to over many years of experience. I admit it can be intellectually fascinating and stimulating, but such is the nature of many things in life that are not good to engage in. So I chose to take a pass at expanding the topic in the Religion & Faith area, and only mentioned that I firmly believe that fundamental evil exists, and needs to be recognized as such. My comments to Whirlibird about how to deal with it are sufficient for my purposes.
As for your thoughts on Obama, see my comments below to MB.October 26, 2015 at 3:27 pm #44643
There is also a very big difference between Central American/Mexican immigrants and the Islamic onslaught happening in Europe. The Central Americans/Mexicans will largely assimilate in a generation or two
The first part of that statement I agree with – there certainly is a big difference between “our” immigrants vs. the hordes that are invading Europe. But I don’t believe they will simply be assimilated in a generation or two like Irish Catholics, Poles, and others have been in generations past. The Central American and Mexican refugees have been raised for multiple generations in either increasingly socialist societies (South and Central America especially), or simply downright corruption (especially but not exclusively Mexico). Too many of them are bringing those mindsets with them, and despite honest intent of many, this country immediately hands them food, medical care, education in their own language, subsidized or free housing, drivers licenses (and now in California particularly, the “right” to vote as a result). “We” have fostered a culture of entitlement, with no requirement to truly invest in the US culture or particularly political system. Our political system will be used to help “fundamentally transform” (be chilled at that quote from 2008!) our political and social order (and don’t forget that that’s THE fundamental strategy mentioned not once but twice in Marx’ and Engels’ “masterpiece” in the final chapter that covers a mere 3/4 of one page).
As for Obama, there is much internet hype about the Muslim and communist influence in his life as a child and adolescent. However, the documentation, and the relationship lines, are astounding once one spends some time fact-checking all those accusations. The political leanings of his grandparents is well established, and the selection of Frank Marshall Davis as Barack’s “mentor,” starts it off. Before you get done with it – if that’s even possible, you end up with massive connection with Chicago for starters, as well as many names directly and closely associated with this President – powerful names such as Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod. Frank Marshall Davis is THE pivot point for all of that cluster and sphere of influence, and it’s truly wide-eye opening once it’s tracked down and put down on paper. “Chilling” is also an appropriate description. Anyone that wants to can dismiss that with the Alinsky-esque response that “that’s just racist, fringe, right wing conspiracy cr@p.” But they either know otherwise, or are too lazy to actually track down the claims, discard the trash associated with some versions of it all, but then also to cross-reference and track down solid evidence.
To do the substantial research thoroughly is to come up with very solid evidence that Obama is almost unmistakably operating on far more just than the inner conflict of his admittedly troubled childhood. The philosophical influence of minds like Marshall’s, Jarrett’s, Axelrod’s, and others, cannot have been inconsequential in Obama’s growth and development. Oh, I don’t doubt that he would be very happy eliminating any “white” influence in this nation. I just don’t believe that is his only motivating force. I believe it’s much more sinister than that, and destruction of the ideals embodied in the original structure of our grand political experiment is not outside of his plan. I did not comprehend how deep it went when he first ran, even though I did not trust him. But what has developed over the past eight years has been stunning, to me. His stated goal of “fundamentally transforming” this nation should have been taken quite literally, and at its deepest level of meaning. Just my 2¢, but I’m hangin’ on to it!October 26, 2015 at 3:57 pm #44644
THe only good thing about the Mexicans and Central/South Americans , is that they are almost all staunch Catholics .October 26, 2015 at 5:10 pm #44645
This is not intended as Catholic-bashing, just specific to this Pope. Given what we recently heard from Pope Francis, I’m not certain that I’m totally comforted by the Catholicism of most of our own invaders. Some Native Americans might agree. On one hand, Frances said, “I humbly ask forgiveness, not only for the offenses of the church herself, but also for crimes committed against the native peoples during the so-called conquest of America,” and “Tragically, the rights of those who were here long before us were not always respected.” Gee, how great that sounded. But sadly, it was the attempted pacification before the fully intended stabbing, otherwise known as declaring sainthood for Father Junipero Serra, who was one of the primary facilitators of all that the Pope had just given public apologies for! (http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/09/26/pope-franciss-careful-side-step and http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/10/08/pope-francis-and-indigenous-peoples ) If these invading Catholics are following this Pope, I’m not entirely optimistic (understatement of the month!).
Separately, I want to add to my previous posts. Not all of the fundamentally evil people are head-choppers. There are more “respectable” appearing members of that group in governments and NGOs that give the appearance of civility, with just a difference of opinion from the “mainstream.” Make no mistake – there are those within governments that are intentionally doing all they can to facilitate their violent brothers. And sadly, there are many more that have been duped by the propaganda, by “human rights” slogans, etc. (because of their own inattention and lazy failure to do their own research). Just know that the fundamental evil is not always violent in appearance. It also runs for office or gets appointed to high level bureaucratic positions of power. Those types get network media time, and therefore take on an appearance (to some) of respectability and credibility.
Jus’ sayin’….October 26, 2015 at 6:01 pm #44646
Bottom line here is this : The days of aggressive Christianity are over , the days of aggressive Islam are here . I would rather have crooked Catholics in country than ANY Muslim , given the choice . One of my favorite scenes in the Godfather , was when Michael took over , he is in church getting his kid baptized , while his henchmen are killing off all of his enemies . Evil men in power , unfortunately that is the case .
CFO = Chief Felony OrganizerOctober 26, 2015 at 7:15 pm #44648
The old adage that a great society destroys itself from within is taking place right before our eyes. The President said judge me by the people I associate with. I researched them and said, “Holy Crap!” I never thought I would see the leaders of this country working from an agenda that’s aim was to dismantle this country. We are being destroyed from within, and it appears that the majority of our fellow citizens are in agreement with that. Wait until they realize there is no such thing as a free lunch.October 26, 2015 at 7:31 pm #44650
“[T]here certainly is a big difference between “our” immigrants vs. the hordes that are invading Europe. But I don’t believe they will simply be assimilated in a generation or two like Irish Catholics, Poles, and others have been in generations past.” — GeorgiaSaint
There is a world of difference between coming here to “join up” and coming here to “cash in.” Many of them blame us for their poverty, albeit they live on our taxes, since they were raised in a failed socialist/communist state, where the few rich own nearly everything. (Mexico officially became a communist nation eight months before Russia.)
Quite a few of the recent arrivals despise us thoroughly, but only a few are willing to risk their freebies by drawing the attention of the law. I would characterize them as “biding their time,” waiting for when their combined “weight” at the polls may finally tip the balance of power permanently in their favor, and they can do with us what they will, unimpeded by La Policía. May they grow too old to carry out the venganza they plan, and their children grow up too assimilated to do it for them.
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