October 22, 2015 at 3:47 am #44522
Warning: long “brain dump” triggered by L Tecolote and Tolik (gotta blame somebody! <grin>)
what we are seeing is the collapse and failure of another form of Communism.
Actually, I think it’s more like what L Tecolote seems to be describing. It almost doesn’t matter what the -ism is, as long as it controls people and subjugates them in some way or other. It’s why I’ve said before that the focus should not be on communism, whether upper or lower case “C.” Instead, the philosophy described in Marx’ and Engels’ 167 year old manifesto should be studied and deeply understood. Various attempts at it (“communism”) have indeed “failed” — yet have they really?
One of the very basic fundamentals of Marx’ and Engels’ philosophy is that it’s a multi-generational process. Marx and Engels never expected to see it all happen on their watch. A simplified version of that concept was seen with the “fall” of Soviet communism. I was fortunate to already have a political science degree behind me, with major focus on Eastern European political systems, as well as a semester-long course solely based on the book Essential Works of Marxism (still available on Amazon and elsewhere – I treasure my little red 95¢ Bantam Matrix 1965 Edition). I finally learned that they were fully comfortable with the concept of “losing” in order to fall back and set themselves up for even greater gains (while the enemy languished in perceived victory, and therefore a false sense of security). Two steps backward, pause, three or four steps forward. It is, in part, why we have figured out that it really doesn’t matter in the United States (or elsewhere) which party we vote for – we end up at the same place anyway, just at a faster or slower pace, thus giving the illusion of choice. As Lenin himself put it:
[T]here are, and there will be, separate, partial movements sometimes forward, at other times backwards; there are and there will be, various deviations from the average type and average tempo of the movements. … Only on this basis, i.e., by taking into consideration first and foremost the fundamental distinctive features of different “epochs” (and no of individual episodes in the history of different countries) can we correctly work out our tactics.
(“Under a False Flag,” Collected Works, 4th Russ. Ed., Vol. XXI, p. 125)
One must also understand what was published in the Peking Review in 1960, in an article titled, “Long Live Leninism!”:
The struggle between socialism and capitalism will embrace a whole historical epoch. … The proletarian dictatorship, established by smashing the state machine of the bourgeois dictatorship by revolutionary means, … is a continuation of the class struggle in another form under new conditions; it involves a persistent struggle, both sanguinary and bloodless, violent and peaceful, military and economic, educational and administrative, against the resistance of the exploiting classes, against … the forces and traditions of the old society.
Again: forget the word “communism,” whether upper or lower case. It has become a brilliant distraction from what’s behind it. Focus on the principles, the philosophy, outlined in the Manifesto 167 years ago. Understand them. And understand that there is, in fact, a fundamentally evil class of people on this earth that have the patience AND tenacity to wait out victory to generations beyond themselves. It sounds conspiratorial and just plain nuts by itself – I fully recognize that. And Alinsky’s “Rules” quickly found a way to counteract that line of thinking with the rule on “ridicule.” “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” It will stop not only an argument, but even consideration and subsequent study of a topic, and has been used brilliantly to keep people from studying the philosophy (that’s the key word) behind what is still fundamentalist communism (Marx, Engels, and Lenin style).
I happen to have an additional viewpoint on what’s behind it all, and how it works, but that’s not suitable for here. It does make it even easier to understand how and why it works, but also requires some other core beliefs that move outside the political realm, and I think would be at very best, a distraction here. Suffice it to say that I fully believe that there are some fundamentally evil people in this world. Some are simply destructive individualists (those that do the school massacres, simply plant bombs for the sake of destruction, etc.). But some are highly intelligent, and willing to work with others in a comprehensive and coordinated effort to achieve what perhaps sometimes they don’t even realize is “beautifully” integrating into Marx’ and Engels’ vision.
I happen to believe that the absolute end result of Marx’ and Engels’ vision is simply impossible, because it assumes that once they have become ultimately successful, all greed and selfishness will disappear to any extent that it poses a threat to the proletariat victory. But there will always be those on the opposite end of the spectrum that inherently and fundamentally espouse personal liberty and individual achievement. Thus, there will always be “revolutions” on both sides. So sadly, the ultimate end is likely to be the destruction of any social and political order as we know it, by any means. But then that at least fulfills what Marx and Engels emphasized not once, but twice in their final 3/4 page chapter of the Manifesto. And we still end up with what all of us here expect will happen – collapse and a need to be prepared for a multiplicity of conditions (see the various facets in the last block quote above).
So Tolik’s view about the “failure of another form of Communism,” is in one sense correct – as long as one realizes it’s just one of those steps back, before two or more steps forward, with the “in between” being the destruction of the social and political order, as fundamentally required by Karl and Fred. And it’s being coordinated by some very evil people outside the confines of ANY formal government structure (though it uses those structures). It is not multi-national, it is extra-national. And we can likely only guess at who some of them really are. Many of those we might guess, I suspect, are what Lenin reportedly called his “useful idiots.”
[ADDED: I’ve been working on this in pieces this evening, and just noticed that L Tecolote added an additional comment that ended up before mine. It simply adds, in my opinion, to the above (as if any of this is simple).]
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."October 24, 2015 at 6:16 pm #44588
we have great problems already in holland ,
the left politicians extremists fucked up this country the last 30 + years
imagine a small hick town with 350 people and the politicians put 700 + refugees in your town ….
your wife and kid walking there while predator eyes are lurking at them ….
this is just 1 example this should be a democratic country …….
for all the fat heads yes for the normal people no way….
just deal with it ……
its a Mather of time when all hell breaks loose over here….October 24, 2015 at 6:19 pm #44589
Good luck to you dutchviking .October 24, 2015 at 6:24 pm #44590
thank you Tolik
this is becoming uncontrollable chaos …..
and this will not go away any time soon…..October 25, 2015 at 12:15 am #44596
Reading your posts, Leopard’s from South Africa, Proteus55’s from Greece, and others, gives me hope yet at the same time I find it depressing. It’s at least somewhat comforting to know that we’re not alone in our little immediate sphere’s of existence, with much evil and craziness around us. Why that’s comforting, I don’t know for sure. But perhaps it’s a matter of not feeling entirely alone – knowing there are others outside our immediate vicinity that really do understand, or at least can significantly empathize even if our struggles are not the same as their exactly.
I tend not to have a lot of close personal friends though I’m friendly with many. Probably my wife is my only truly close personal friend. Yet I appreciate being around others that are generally of like mind, and there are many in my immediate vicinity that at least share the same values I do.
But one thing I’ve really come to appreciate here on the Forum is the greater degree of understanding not only what’s happening, but why, and a sense of being able to do something about it. Oh, we may not be able to largely shape the larger world, but we don’t have to roll over and give up – there are many things we can do for ourselves and our families for those that have them. And while I certainly cannot fully comprehend what Selco went through, because I’ve never been presented with the circumstances he endured, I can at least appreciate the fact that he found ways to keep putting one foot in front of the other until he finally emerged on the other side and had the freedom to go on with his life, to be able to earn a legal and moral living for himself again (instead of bare survival), help others where he could, and above all, keep his sense of self worth and the will to live on. If he could do it, why not me? And if I’m too old to make it all the way, I can at least keep putting one more step ahead of the previous one until someone ends the journey for me – and even that won’t be a defeat, because I didn’t give up.
Unless or until that time comes, this place, like few others, provides a place for people all over the world, in various circumstances (some like yours, Leopard’s, and a few others that are very bad), to get together and in a very real sense establish friendships, even if there are rarely any full names, addresses, or phone numbers. That’s just a normal precaution when we don’t really know who’s at the other end. Still, there’s a level of trust and respect here, even when there is a bit of friction, where we can feel free to come on and vent, support, offer ideas, or sometimes just read (“listen”), and know that we’ve been “listened to.”
You mentioned in another thread that you haven’t had a friend in a very long time, and that spending time in the woods, alone, is sometimes good therapy for you. Understandable!! Whatever it takes. Just recognize that there are supportive people here who may not be able to physically put an arm around your shoulder, sit eyeball-to-eyeball and listen intently, and be what the world typically defines as a “friend,” yet you know here that you are indeed among friends. If this doesn’t work for you, I can respect that – just understand that it comes from the heart none the less: you are in my prayers for relief if possible, or at least peace and comfort while going through it. I suspect others here feel, in their own individual ways, much the same sentiment.
Don’t be a stranger. Keep checking in. You’re certainly welcome here.
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."October 25, 2015 at 12:51 am #44600
Dutch, knowing how upset most Americans are over the relatively small numbers of Muslims coming into the US, it is hard to imagine living in Europe with such huge numbers forcing their way in. From media reports I have read it seems that in Europe they are being very quick to demand that Europe change culturally to be more Islamic. It would be of great interest to hear from time to time how day to day life is being impacted in Holland.October 25, 2015 at 7:34 pm #44614
thank you so much for the understanding and kind words ,
i wont be a stranger and check in from time to time ,
have a great day .
Attachments:You must be logged in to view attached files.October 25, 2015 at 7:47 pm #44616
i will keep track and post some updates
when i get the time to do so …..
here are some vids about last weekOctober 25, 2015 at 9:16 pm #44618
This video showed up as one of the possible next videos after I played Dutch’s third one. It seems to confirm the EU’s deliberate over-running of Europe with the muslim stealth army. Why are they doing this? Who can say? It certainly won’t make the EU generally wealthier, or more secure.
But the same applies to the USA. One could surmise that our Undocumented Pretendsident has his own grudges with the nation and the West, in general, and finds wholesale importation of hostile “immigrants” to be his best weapon in that cause, but the question nags at me: Why would so many others be so willing to help him take us down? Would they profit by the collapse? And if so, in what way? It would be hard for me to imagine that the grandchildren of most of the CONgresscritters could be better off if the nation goes bye-bye.
Afterthought: It it almost as though there existed among us, another species of being, able to derive its sustenance from the misery and anguish of those humans whose lives it could manage to ruin.
Cry, "Treason!"October 25, 2015 at 10:08 pm #44621
“The question nags at me: Why would so many others be so willing to help him take us down? Would they profit by the collapse? “LT
At some level they have to believe they will profit from their actions. They are most likely deceived. I think if you believe satan is real it makes it easier to understand many otherwise unexplainable events. My2cOctober 25, 2015 at 11:12 pm #44624
“2016: Obama’s America” has a lot of answers.
RobinOctober 25, 2015 at 11:23 pm #44626
this is truly funny the phrase trojan horse came from me i started using it about 2 years ago ,
to warm people about the dangers of islamic refugees and asylum seekers …..
because i already thought about the dangers of north africans (Moroccan) that with open borders easy can bring AK 74 and guns into the Netherlands the Moroccan mafia became more brutal each month the people robbing elderly and disabled persons , robbery,s rapes , and burglars became younger and younger …..and now the politicians all over use this phrase
and yes it is a verry evil trojan horse in every way it sounds …..
the normal dutch people cant own a gun (or atleast its verry difficult ) and thugs dont care about rules and laws in holland (they only obey allah and sharia ) already have a big head start ,
if guns are outlawed outlaws will have guns is a verry grim reality …..October 26, 2015 at 12:54 am #44629
That 3rd video, of the bearded wonder, is truly frightening. But of course, that will never show up on the evening news. I swear those guys are better at the “Rules for Radicals” than even Saul Alinsky was. The rest of us politely call it “deception.”
"Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land."October 26, 2015 at 4:17 am #44630
I think if you believe satan is real it makes it easier to understand many otherwise unexplainable events.
Roger that, 74! Really, whether one believes or not, the behaviors of those we can see, and of those who pull their strings, whom we cannot, are indistinguishable from what the concept of demon possession would entail — conscious, deliberate evil, done for no more profit than the pleasure that the suffering of others brings them.
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” — Ephesians 6:12 King James Version
When the governments of many European nations behave this way, something more coordinated is going on, than the simple attempt to hide a few shortcomings and mistakes. If, as reported, most of the “refugees” (who have often crossed several borders, and paid more than several years’ average wages to get there, are military-aged men, sometimes armed, it is clearly an invasion, or several. So why are the governments of those nations so cooperative, to the point of subservience, in what can not be less than the takeover, perhaps the complete loss of their countries?
Who is pulling the strings? Is/are any of them still in the flesh?
October 26, 2015 at 4:25 am #44632
- This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by L Tecolote.
Hows that lack of a 2nd amendment woking for ya over there ? You would have thought Europe would have adopted it after Hitler and Stalin . Now they have something worse than both .
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