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  • #43800
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    pitty
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    Germany closed borders with Austria.
    Robin

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-to-impose-border-controls/ar-AAeeSFQ?ocid=spartandhp

    After Germany has closed the borders the Situation begins to escalate on our borders.
    The Hungarians bring people to the border and they just start to break through (Police has wrote this in a Statement).
    Meanwhile, also on the “green borders”.
    The police warned that the Situation can no longer be controlled.
    This will take a bad end. When this people realize that they are not able to go to Germany and that they are stuck at Austria pffff…..

    Our Chancellor will not send the Army to the Borders as this was already been requested by the Ministry.
    This would be a “false Picture” he said.

    I’m afraid we should be prepared for massive Problems soon when this Problems can’t be solved.

    #43803
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    According to AP,

    • In Germany, the government recently stated that state and local authorities will receive $3 billion to help house the 800,000 people expected to arrive this year, and another $3 billion will be allocated to pay benefits for the new arrivals.
    • French Interior Minister recently promised city and town governments $1,200 for each new housing spot they provide to refugees from now until 2017.
    • In Britain, Chancellor George Osborne said that housing and living costs for refugees would be met for the first 12 months of their stay in Britain and come from the aid budget.
    • Greece recently requested $3.10 million in emergency aid to set up a reception center on the Aegean islands run by UNHCR.
    • Austria received nearly $6 million in emergency assistance from the E.U. to increase its reception capacity and administrative capacity to deal with increased asylum claims.
    • Hungary also received $4.5 million in emergency assistance from the E.U. to improve the infrastructure of existing reception facilities as well as develop new ones, to purchase further equipment and supplies for reception centers, as well as to expand human resources and increase transport capacities in the country.

    Let’s see…. In Germany, that $6 billion total works out to $7500 per person, to take care of housing, clothing, food, medicine, language classes, and the host of other services provided to these people. I certainly hope the cost of living is a WHOLE lot less in Germany than it is here, because it will take a considerable period of time to determine whether each person receives refugee status, or is even safe to be there. $7500 won’t last long at all, given all the issues facing these European nations because of the influx of “undocumented immigrants.”

    France is paying $1200 per “housing spot,” per person. Whoopee! That ought to go far. Says he EU, “Find ‘em a ‘spot’ to live on, and we’ll give you a one-time grant of $1200.” Big deal…. Britain simply says they’ll pay for it. Where have we heard THAT before from governments? Greece “recently requested $3.1 million for a reception processing center. Who’s been paying for the processing before now in Greece, with its enormous financial issues? Hungary gets $4.5 million for reception issues, yet they’re simply collecting “refugees” at one border, putting them on a train headed for the Austrian border, and dropping them off (and telling them to get out of Hungary). And Austria has only gotten $6 million, yet they’re struggling big time – particularly now that Hungary is feeding them hordes of immigrants, and Germany won’t let them in.

    Meanwhile, all that additional aid being sent from the EU back to its individual member nations is coming from a combination of higher taxes and the concentration of more thin air from which to print money. For those old enough to remember Laurel and Hardy, one might be thinking right about now, “A fine mess you’ve gotten us into.” America – are you listening? [crickets….]

    Of course not – these issues aren’t even being broadcast on the cable news channels our the networks’ nightly news broadcasts. So we’ve already announced (“we” being Chancellor Obama) that we’re also going to take “refugees.” It’s our “responsibility.” And anyone that has a drivers license in their pocket can prove they’ve been around long enough to know that once they get here, they aren’t going to leave. I also predict that Obama intentionally low-balled his 10,000 number so we’d be the laughing stock of the western world, thereby being “forced” to increase that number. Then it wouldn’t be Obama’s fault (not that he’s ever worried about international opinion before).

    Thus saith Tolik:

    The only thing I can say is that we dont need or want them here .

    And the only thing I can add to that is, “Amen!” It has nothing to do with ethnicity, religion, or language. It’s got everything to do with self-preservation. And besides – the price of further processing them and then transporting them halfway around the world could be much better spent in a place from which they can eventually and more easily be turned back around to go home. If they get halfway around the world, practically speaking, they’re ours.

    #43808
    Toby C
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    In case anyone is unsure on the current discussion of ‘why so many fighting aged men’ are arriving, vs, ‘thats media manipulation’ you can take a look at the UN stats:

    http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php

    72% men, 13% women…

    Things that make you go hhhmmmmmmmm…

    #43809
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    MountainBiker
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    It is nothing short of criminal that the media is not reporting this rather glaring data. All of the photos center on women with little children, same as occurred with the Central American/Mexican surge of “unaccompanied minors” into the US this past year. Do they really think all these young men have abandoned their wives and children? Or that they were living in fear of the violence and had to flee, but their parents and sisters were OK staying behind? I can understand a certain tier of power brokers having an agenda that is playing out here, but how in the world can the average do-gooder that is welcoming these migrants and that is pleading for the Western nations to take in even more migrants be blind to what is happening?

    #43814
    Malgus
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    It is nothing short of criminal that the media is not reporting this rather glaring data. All of the photos center on women with little children, same as occurred with the Central American/Mexican surge of “unaccompanied minors” into the US this past year. Do they really think all these young men have abandoned their wives and children? Or that they were living in fear of the violence and had to flee, but their parents and sisters were OK staying behind? I can understand a certain tier of power brokers having an agenda that is playing out here, but how in the world can the average do-gooder that is welcoming these migrants and that is pleading for the Western nations to take in even more migrants be blind to what is happening?

    The wave of Central American/Mexican minors – kids, etc – was calculated and engineered.

    The Cartels engineered it. How do we know? We monitor their communications – they weren’t even being cagey about it, they were laughing their a$$es off and gloating about it. How they literally massed thousands of children, etc, and literally launched them at us – then sat back eating popcorn watching our Border Patrol and other Officialdom jumping backflips through their own a$$ trying to deal with the crisis…

    They know what they’re doing… their actions were and are calculated to sap our will, drain our resources, and then spread what little resources that are left so thin they can act with impunity…

    You all really think all these crazy diseases – stuff we have no defense for or stamped out generations ago – are showing up here by accident? The same guys who immolate and behead their own citizens would have no problems picking out kids who are carrying diseases and then sending them against us… just another version of the Mongols launching their plague-riddled dead over the walls of European cities with catapults. Just another strain on our already-overwhelmed infrastructure… not to mention what happens when those diseases shift and evolve in a large population with no defenses….

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #43816
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    Thanks for the UN reference, Toby C. According to a document on that page, the United Nations defines “refugees” and “migrants” as follows, and says that not understanding the difference between the two “can have serious consequences for the lives and safety of refugees.” It is reasonable and even quite useful to use these two official UN definitions, by the way (just not the way they use them):

    “Refugees are persons fleeing armed conflict or persecution. … Their situation is often so perilous and intolerable that they cross national borders to seek safety in nearby countries, and thus become internationally recognized as ‘refugees’ with access to assistance from States, UNHCR, and other organizations. They are so recognized precisely because it is too dangerous for them to return home, and they need sanctuary elsewhere. These are people for whom denial of asylum has potentially deadly consequences.”

    — but (more of the UN definition) —

    “Migrants choose to move not because of a direct threat of persecution or death, but mainly to improve their lives by finding work, or in some cases for education, family reunion, or other reasons. Unlike refugees who cannot safely return home, migrants face no such impediment to return. If they choose to return home, they will continue to receive the protection of their government.”

    That same UN document goes on to say:

    “For individual governments, this distinction is important. Countries deal with migrants under their own immigration laws and processes. Countries deal with refugees through norms of refugee protection and asylum that are defined in both national legislation and international law. Countries have specific responsibilities towards anyone seeking asylum on their territories or at their borders. UNHCR helps countries deal with their asylum and refugee protection responsibilities.”

    Notice how the UN “allows” us to use our own laws when it comes to “migrants,” but imposes “norms of refugee protection and asylum that are defined in … international law.” They go on to say that we have “specific responsibilities” pertaining to “refugees.” And that’s all we hear about is the massive numbers of “refugees.”

    The UN document goes even further:

    “Politics has a way of intervening in such debates. Conflating refugees and migrants can have serious consequences for the lives and safety of refugees. Blurring the two terms takes attention away from the specific legal protections refugees require. It can undermine public support for refugees and the institution of asylum at a time when more refugees need such protection than ever before.”

    So any discussion of whether we’re dealing with a primary refugee crisis, or an invasion by potentially dangerous illegal immigrants is “politics,” and by so doing, we’re putting “the lives and safety” of all these refugees at serious risk, with even “potentially deadly consequences?”

    Then let us use the UN’s own statistics, as of September 15, 2015, pertaining to the composition of the “refugees” that are “fleeing” such awful conditions:

    men = 72%
    women = 13%
    children = 15%

    And where are they coming from? The vast majority (74%) of these “refugees” are coming from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, and Pakistan.
    [from Toby C’s original link]

    At the risk of being accused of playing “politics,” one might logically ask the following questions. If things are so horrible in the originating countries, why are all these able-bodied, almost all young men, leaving their wives, children, sisters, parents, and grand parents behind to fend for themselves? What happened to the “serious consequences for the lives and safety of” those women, children, and old folks left behind to fend for themselves? Why do these young men not stay at home and join whatever opposing forces OUR military are attempting to train to take back their countries? Why are nearly 3/4 of the massive wave of “refugees” young males, of potential military age? And if conditions are so horrible back home, how did they afford the €10,000 (roughly $11,300 US) fee – often MUCH higher – paid to the smugglers to get them up to Europe? How did they come with already-established cell phone accounts and working cell phones in many cases? Where did the nice designer-label clothing come from? Who’s paying for the ongoing cell phone accounts so many of them have?

    This is NOT (with obvious but relatively few exceptions) a “humanitarian” or “refugee” crisis. This is an invasion my mostly young, male, Muslim men of military age, who are NOT choosing to fight for their own countries, while US and European Soldiers and Marines are losing their lives every single day to help liberate these nations from oppressive conditions. These are what the UN itself defines as “migrants” of the illegal variety – young, Muslim men with cell phones and enough money to travel to Europe (and beyond). What could possibly go wrong?

    How about another beheading at a previously peaceful workplace in the US by an Islamic fundamentalist? How how about another group of innocent US Army Soldiers being gunned down in a processing center at Ft. Hood by an Islamic fundamentalist masquerading as a military officer and psychiatrist? How about another “underwear bomber” on another airliner about to land in Detroit? How about more planes flown into buildings or stadiums? Or bombs placed in strategic locations (not just the Boston Marathon, but malls, large sports events, church services, etc.)? ISIS and Al Qaeda have told us they’re coming, and that many are already here, with instructions and the intent to do more of just those very types of things.

    And to Malgus and MountainBiker, another “Amen!” The news media in this case is the mouthpiece of the UN – including “fair and balanced {choke!} Fox News. Why should we think this current wave of illegal immigrants in Europe is any less calculated and coordinated than that which has been imposed on the US? (Obviously, a rhetorical question.) We’ll be getting our “moral share” of them all too soon.

    #43817
    Robin
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    Just finished an article. This part got me wondering:
    “Confusion seemed to surround the situation. Many migrants were not exactly sure why they were avoiding registration. They were following the advice of friends or fellow travelers.”
    At this point in the article the writer was interviewing people why they were not signing up at the buses and centers in view of the refugees (I think this was at the Austria/Serbia border.)
    The blind are leading the blind!
    Robin

    #43818
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    No, the knowledgeable are leading the blind. Factor in Malgus’ statement about the calculated wave of “refugees” from South and Central America into the US. See the parallel? Overwhelm the resources so they can more easily get their desired people past the borders undetected.

    [Just my paranoid mind at work, of course.]

    #43823
    Toby C
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    I just want too say, I’m really enjoying this discussion and think their are some really good and clearly articulated points being raised. A refreshing relief from the ongoing media circus commentary bombarding us here in Europe at the moment…!

    #43824
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    74
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    rnews

    Whether or not the current migration is intentionally devised and manufactured, or a naturally occurring response fed by a complex social matrix the results will likely create a Cloward–Piven style collapse of European welfare if it continues. Since Hungary closed it’s borders yesterday it will be interesting to see if they are able to keep it closed. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150915/eu–europe-migrants-7739dcd046.html “The supply is nearly endless — we can see how many of them are coming,” Orban said in a televised address just before the new laws took effect at midnight. “And if we look at the demographics, we can see that these people have more children than our communities who lead a traditional, Christian way of life.”
    “Mathematics tells you that this will lead to a Europe where our way of life will end up in a minority, or at least face a very serious challenge.”

    With the border closed what will happen in Serbia at the logjam?

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    #43832
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    … the results will likely create a Cloward–Piven style collapse of European welfare if it continues.

    It’s good to see others that even know what the Cloward-Piven strategy is, let alone understand it. Wonderful observation! When combined with the last chapter of Marx’ and Engels’ “masterpiece,” which is oddly a mere 3/4 of one page long, one can get a much better understanding of what’s going on all over the world. In that last chapter, they call for the destruction of the social and political order, by whatever means necessary, and in a mere 3/4 of one page repeat that goal a 2nd time. Cloward and Piven brought that up to date by about 100 years with a modern means of achieving that breakdown, and both they and Marx/Engels added the same follow on result, essentially. Add the brilliance of Alinsky’s “Rules,” and it’s almost pointless to argue logically against any of those proponents. Sadly, most of society is buying into the plan, thanks to the also brilliant shaping of attitudes, thought processes, etc., by the “news” media and public education systems. Critical thinking, thinking out of the box, etc., are simply not taught, nor are they encouraged – just the opposite, thanks to the political correctness movement.

    Your response illustrates a significant reason I’ve appreciated finding this group. I don’t feel so isolated. Thanks.

    #44514
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    Sitting in a waiting room today while my wife had an appt. I read the latest issue of Time magazine. It was primarily a series of short articles about different aspects of the European refugee crisis. Talk about biased reporting. One article was about how great this was going to be for their economy. Most of the photos included young children. Whereas most Muslims from the Arab world are brown-eyed and don’t look especially Northern European, the close up photos had more blue and green eyed refugees than statistically occurs, making them look more European. A chart stated that half the refugees were children without defining how they came to that conclusion. Maybe they consider childhood as extending to age 25 or 30. Another article is about Germans taking refugees into their homes and what a great experience it has been. The articles avoid altogether the spike in robberies, assaults, and rapes that has accompanied this influx of young Muslim men, nor does it discuss the overall difficulty in getting Muslims to assimilate in Western cultures.

    #44515
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    L Tecolote
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    Conspiracy Theory Alert:

    I can understand how the oil-sheikhs pay to grease the skids for the acceptance of muslims in western nations, but for all the petro-cash they can shell out, it still doesn’t fully explain how those nations have essentially rolled over to take in any and all who can travel. The mass-movement of hordes of muslim “refugees” couldn’t be sold as life-saving or “necessary” absent the turmoil brought about by wholesale overturning of relatively stable (albeit brutal) dictatorships, and the creation of al Quaeda and ISIS by the US and its lackey “coalition.” Further, most of the European nations are accepting levels of “refugees” (soon to be “immigrants”) that both their governments and their citizens clearly understand will soon overwhelm not only the welfare and healthcare systems they are forced to support, as prelude to overwhelming the domestic population itself.

    Most governments, however willing they are to aggressively tax their citizens to provide themselves with the “good life,” are ordinarily unwilling to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. So why are they, in the name of charity, turning their nations over to the soldiers of Allah? Could it be that a larger, better coordinated plot is being played out? Might there be a “coalition” of the über-wealthy, — the ones who choose the candidates for whom the proles get to vote — who see the muslims as the only (or, at least, the best) tool to use for bringing the rest of the world to heel, before being finally exterminated themselves, in a world once again profitably engaged in war?

    Not that the major commie powers have totally given up “the dream,” but Russia and China both understand how screwed up the world could become in global thermonuclear war, and for all their occasional bluster, seem to have lost their zeal for that path to world domination, and the West is currently self-demolishing. But they have their own problems with muslims as well. Further, as bad as the Communists, Fascists, Nazis, etc., were/are, I contend those who understand the kind of monsters they are, yet choose to help them rise to power and sophisticated weaponry, are worse. A monster is what he/she is — immoral/amoral — who knows why? But someone who realizes that the monster is, in fact, a monster, yet for calculated advantage, chooses to fund him/her to prey on the innocent — is such a person not worse? I don’t fully comprehend, but I believe they exist, and that they cooperate with others of their kind, to provide the $$ and publicity to help sundry nation-destroying monsters rise to power — present occupant of the national executive residence, for example, included.

    Cry, "Treason!"

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    #44517
    Tolik
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    As I watch that problem they are having , all I see are a bunch of able bodied “men” that wont fight for their country . If they take them in , they shoud say ” women and children ONLY ” and turn the men away , go fight for your countries stability , then recall your family when its over . Thats exactly what a lot of the Chechens did , the men stayed to fight , and sent their families to a safer place . THink about it , most of the refugee / immigrant problems in a country can be solved by only allowing women and children into the country . THen they have no choice but to mix with the men in the adopted country , and adopt their customs and habits . Forced assimilation . There was a reason why in warfare of the ancient world , a conquerer would sometimes slaughter the male population , regardless of age . THey did that because it works . I’m not suggesting they do that in modern day , but it accomplishes the same thing by not allowing them in . Other than that , I would suggest land mines and bunkers at this point . The reason WHY they are having the problem and cant control it , is that in order for you to be in the EU , each nation gives up its sovereignty , what we are seeing is the collapse and failure of another form of Communism .

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    #44521
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    L Tecolote
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    If they take them in , they shoud say ” women and children ONLY ” and turn the men away , go fight for your countries stability , then recall your family when its over .

    That makes way too much sense to cause disproportionate $$ and power for those whose great ideas were the EU, ISIS, the wars, and the wave of “refugee” muslim warriors.

    in order … to be in the EU , each nation gives up its sovereignty , what we are seeing is the collapse and failure of another form of Communism .

    All of these various political/trade organizations and pacts are instances of the rich and powerful getting the governments they’ve paid for, to set up laws and treaties to get them more $$ and power, though the path is sometimes complicated. Once they have everyone else at a disadvantage, enough is never enough. Eventually, they’ll want all the oxygen, too. Political jazz like “communism,” “socialism,” “fascism,” “democracy,” even “islam,” is just a kind of sales campaign to fool the people for long enough to get the initial control. After that, what those terms mean currently and locally, is whatever those with the power (read: guns) say they mean. For some psychopaths, the discovery that they are not the Supreme Power of the Universe, drives them to fake it.

    Cry, "Treason!"

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