April 25, 2014 at 4:26 pm #10836
Right quick – you’re dead nuts right about the 30 Carbine not being bottlenecked. See, officers during WWII only had pistols, since it was considered Tres Gauche for an officer to sully himself by carrying a Garand. So, the higher ups decided the officers needed something “better” to defend themselves with and came up with the M1 Carbine.
Now, the M1 Carbine ain’t a bad design. If it was chambered in anything other than the 30 carbine, it’s not a half bad little gun. But, the higher ups had 30-caliber-itis, meaning everything bigger than a 1911 had to be 30 caliber… because, by gawd, a rifle not being 30 caliber was just un-A’murkin!
So, they came up with that crappy 30 carbine round. I suppose if you were shooting someone next to you in a phone booth, it would be just fine… but when the bad guy scoots back a hundred yards or so… Boink! It just sorta bounced off the Chinese… not good.
The Russians always had their issues when it came to weapons design… like the PPSH? Not a bad design, but the Finns took it, improved it, made a shyte-pot of them, turned around and whupped the Russians with their own stuff… heh, heh… Called it the KP-31 and it has a cyclic rate of almost 1000 rpm… they mowed the Russians down like grass…
The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1April 25, 2014 at 4:28 pm #10837
When we talk about battle proven(not just used in battle) hard hitting and accurate rifles, the M1 Garand comes to mind. Oh and it makes a great clubApril 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm #10839
When we talk about battle proven(not just used in battle) hard hitting and accurate rifles, the M1 Garand comes to mind. Oh and it makes a great club – Matt76
Yep. Not many rifles come to mind that I would carry if I were heading into a scrape that are better than the Garand.
Ever hear of the BM-59? After WWII, we armed our “friends” the Italians with them. The Italians actually improved the Garand, cutting away the bottom of the receiver for a detachable box magazine. They were nice enough to leave them in ’06… today, a BM-59, the genuine article, costs thousands of dollars… it might just be the perfect incarnation of the Garand…
Now I don’t care who you are, but this here is some kinda sexy…
The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1
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Yes sir that is a mighty fine rifleApril 25, 2014 at 5:00 pm #10843
Another thing people need to think about when shooting is their habits while shooting. When you are stressed you will shoot from instinct and muscle memory. I read a story about a DPS officer who reloaded his own ammo. While practicing he would pick up casings after each clip so he could reload them later. Some time later he got in a shootout during a traffic stop. He emtied his weapon and started picking up the brass. He was killed. I find it hard to believe but we are creatures of habit. Practice reloading. Shoot from odd positions. Train as if you are in a shootout if possible. Technique is one less thing you will have to think about becuase it is instinct and that might save your life one day.April 25, 2014 at 5:03 pm #10844
Another example of this was during Katrina. Some LE folks had trained to drop emty mags when reloading and pick them up later. Thats a bad idea when you are waste deep in water.April 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm #10851
Tolik, I also am a 9mm man and a shotgun man because 99% will be close up. when I go out then I will carry the FAL .308 and my 22lr rifle.April 25, 2014 at 6:43 pm #10857
Finish the story pleaseApril 25, 2014 at 8:24 pm #10871
Ok Melgus. Finish the story please — 74
What story? You mean why I don’t like the M16/M4?
The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1April 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm #10874
For every story where some caliber,gun (name what you wish here) was useless,worthless,unreliable,rubbish bla bla, there is always a equal story about how it was great and saved lives.April 25, 2014 at 8:42 pm #10876
Selco, I was wondering the same thing: What the difference was between your perspective and the guy who shot. Can you elaborate, please? Thanks!April 25, 2014 at 9:04 pm #10886
Melgus, yes yes of course why not?
Maybe start a new thread though.April 25, 2014 at 9:10 pm #10889
I’m sure that’s true, but why I don’t like the M16/M4 isn’t because of some “story”. Me not liking it is more of an accumulation of experience, plus a bit of knowledge about firearms engineering.
It shits where it eats. You just cannot get around that in it’s current state. Some folks have modded the M4 to have a gas piston which impinges on the bolt carrier, which keeps the crud out of the action (which is how Stoner should have designed it in the first place), but even with that mod, I still choose to carry something else.
Often, troops would get their rifles so dirty they would (even though they are not supposed to) completely disassemble the action. But, instead of using a proper sized brass punch to drift out the action pins, they would “stab” at them with a section of cleaning rod. Since the lower receiver is aluminum and the cleaning rods are steel, you can guess what happened. Plus, the pins go out one way and in one way. Do it wrong, and you hog the holes out – again because the pins are steel and the lower receiver is aluminum. Which means the rifle, while you are firing it, well there’s a pretty good chance the rifle will disassemble itself in the middle of your shooting session.
By the way, you know why the Army had the A2 made with a thicker barrel out towards the muzzle? Not because of heat absorption or accuracy or anything like that… it was because troops were using the barrel of the then-issue A1 to put cots together. They were using it as a lever, and doing that bent the crap out of the barrel. Instead of addressing the issue properly, they just made the barrel thicker so it wouldn’t bend as easily…
For what it is, it’s not a bad rifle/carbine. But if I’m going to carry something and I have a say in the matter, then I want better. And HK makes the best rifles of military usefulness on the planet. The only ***** I got about mine is that the 93 still has the old 1/12″ twist barrel, which means I can only shoot the M193 cartridge. Retrofitting it with a 1/8″ barrel would let me shoot the heavier 62g green tip projos.
The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1April 25, 2014 at 9:18 pm #10892
Melgus don’t take me wrong please, Whether you realize it or not you are writing a story. Edit: A fun one to read at that don’t stop.April 25, 2014 at 9:41 pm #10894
What is the closest thing to a fish’s ******* ? A Fin .
The soviets attacked Finland with a lot of bad doctrine , poor leadership ( thanks to Stalin’s purge ), and mediocre equipment , they lost ………but after the Germans invaded , they were forced to change their doctrine and upgrade their equipment to survive . When the Russian steamroller got moving again , and it was clear that the Germans were not going to win the war …………….here comes Finland , running to Moscow to kiss Stalins ass for befriending the Nazis , Stalin was not impressed , and told the Fins that in order to make amends to the Soviet Union , they would have to surrender the Potsamo region …………..The Fins refused , and prepared for the next invasion ……..Stalin let them sweat and turned his attention to southern Europe and those territories , After those gains he was ready to invade Germany proper , While those troops massed , He attacked Finland , this time , the Fins were no match for a now battle hardened Red Army with good equipment , it was over very quickly , the Fins sued for peace , and the Fins not only lost the Potsamo region anyway , but also the ports they so generously let the Nazis use . The western allies didnt care that much about Finland , because they were on the wrong side of the coin . While Sweden stayed neutral , and Norway was fighting occupation and providing the allies with intel . Also why the German liner that was torpedoed by a Russian submarine , causing the single greatest maritime loss of life in history is little known today…………….they were on the wrong side of the coin .
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