November 13, 2015 at 7:02 am #45140
There is a steady flow of people leaving. I am “loosing” another friend next month. And my very best friend and her family early next year. Leaving towards New Zealand mostly, Northern Africa and North America. All got good job opportunities.
Johannesburg – Supermarkets around Johannesburg are battling to cope with the increasing shortage of water supply.
Do not walk in public parks without being armed – knowing how to defend yourself is fairly important.. Need to carry enough rounds.. : ( http://nypost.com/2015/11/12/rape-and-murder-as-gang-attacks-couples-in-south-africa-park/November 13, 2015 at 8:09 am #45141
In the US, when radio/TV reports make a point of omitting the ethnicity of perpetrators, or suspects, i.e., when they do not immediately proclaim the suspect to be “white,” It means that the suspect is not white, and the reporter and/or his/her employer (and the government, via the FCC) is at least disappointed at such fact.
Is it also that way in South Africa?
Cry, "Treason!"November 13, 2015 at 3:29 pm #45142
Yes, it has increased. We have severe problems at Universities at the moment. The problem is that our government schooling system is just so bad and they can pass with 30% in 4 subjects and 40% if I’m correct (Leopard??) in 3 others. They get in at university and they cannot finish because they struggle academically and financially. The result is them breaking the universities down demanding NO FEES. They want free university. Every sector in South Africa is declining. People are getting poorer and poorer and that includes me. The less money you have the less of a chance you’ve got to make it out of the country. There is a concerted effort to break down all institutions that gives whites an advantage ie. a university degree or instruction in Afrikaans their home language. This is going to end up in a revolution where a whole lot people are going to die. What is your feeling Leopard? They predict that the Rand would be R20-00 to the USD in 2018.November 13, 2015 at 9:23 pm #45153
Thanks dorette. Clearly the govt. must know that they are losing many skilled or educated people not to mention the financial assets they take with them. Is there a risk that the govt. will ban white emigration from SA?November 14, 2015 at 1:07 am #45160
Is there a risk that the govt. will ban white emigration from SA?
In all seriousness with no levity intended, wouldn’t that amount to slavery – forcing whites to stay so the government could make the best use of their labor, money, skills, etc.?
Of course, the U.S. has their own version of that, by taxing people big time if thy go through the regulatory (and financial) maze of actually renouncing citizenship. They truly do own us, regardless of any declaration of sovereignty on our parts. One might suggest that we simply ship our assets (no pun intended) out of the country first, and then thumb our noses at them from afar after we’ve left. The problem is, they’ve already got provisions in place to seriously punish any nation that helps protect an American that the US says owes money. Just even TRY to open a non-US bank account, and see what happens. Do what the Chinese are doing, and build our own island in international waters? We’d have an aircraft carrier and/or destroyer park up next to the island in a heartbeat, simply because of a desire to live Robinson Crusoe style. And even if we leave long term without renouncing citizenship, we are still taxed in the US on any income.
So, I suspect that SA would have already learned from the US how to keep their population from leaving in large numbers. But I’m interested to hear from our SA members as to what it actually takes to exit (permanently).
[Anyone interested in the lengthy version of what happens to a US citizen from a US tax law attorney, can go here.]November 14, 2015 at 10:18 am #45171
They do not want any white skills in government. We have lots of white engineers that actually find employment in Dubai and other places because they cannot find work in government or elsewhere in South Africa because of the transformation quotas. (Being a pale male) However, government has brought in engineers and mechanics from Cuba to maintain the military equipment and engineers to work on our water problems rather than employing qualified whites.
South Africa used to manufacture our own military equipment nevermind maintain it. We did this while the whole world had sanctions against us. Now we cannot even maintain a sewerage plant. This is the reality of South Africa today.
The bottom line is this that if you do not have a degree no country would really accept you as an immigrant. You have to have the skills to enter such a country. The white children are being discriminated against where entrance to universities are concerned. The demographics has to match the country demographics. So my daughter nearly did not get in to university at the beginning of this year as my children are doing the Cambridge syllabus which is far more difficult than the government curriculum. She eventually with a big fight and Cambridge getting involved, got in. Now she is getting 80% overall in her 1st year. Compare that to the fact that 50% of 1st years have already fallen out.
So they are really pushing us down. This country is going bankrupt and the next thing that is going to happen is that they will take our pensions. (Mark my words!!!!) They want to take 51% of businesses and farms. Right here at this point you will get a civil war. We are outnumbered but I can promise you this I will happily die in this fight for justice. What is happening in South Africa is going to happen the world over. You have a certain group of people who want to live off the rest while doing nothing. Receiving grants, housing, schooling etc. all for free while others need to work and pay tax. (Yes, this is slavery) – also called socialism.
My boy who is in Grade 9 now in Cambridge is getting 93% and 94% and 90% 96% for Accounting, Math, Science, Design & Technology. Would I be able to send him out to an overseas university? Would I be able to afford to send him? (His English mark is terrible 48%). However, this is killing me and I cannot tell you how hard this is for me when looking at my children and seeing no future for them here or anywhere else in the world really. Nobody wants us!!!November 14, 2015 at 10:32 am #45172
We can get USA visas provided that we keep our business running in South Africa. The way South Africa is going the business would not keep going in order for us to stay in the USA. So my biggest fear is that you get over there in the USA and then the conditions in South Africa deteriorate to such an extent or there is civil war and the business goes out of business. Our visa is linked to the South African business. I can so see myself on a Kentucky farm whilst my husband finds work in air conditioning. However, we will most probably all be scattered with him in a city or town, me on the farm, my daughter at University. My son would have to adapt to a completely new school curriculum. Do you mess with your children’s education at this late stage?? My husband is 58 – what a time to start all over again. This is the dilemma.November 14, 2015 at 10:47 am #45173
The reality is that South Africa’s economic cupboard of ideas is empty. One top firm after another is chasing opportunity elsewhere. Our top 60 companies now earn 70% of their turnover outside of SA borders. In effect, they have left and South Africa is just another market. (Mike Schussler)November 14, 2015 at 5:25 pm #45180
I don’t have words that would adequately reflect my dismay as I read your conditions. The entire world is disintegrating. I can’t help but remember 2nd Timothy chapter 3:
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.November 14, 2015 at 8:57 pm #45185
Leopard, I read the articles you posted. Very sobering.
dorette, you and other white South African parents are in a very difficult position. In SA your children face declining opportunties and increasing risk to their very safety. Leaving SA brings with it separation from everything they have ever known, and perhaps economic hardships vs your current situation. Leaving SA also brings with it the possibility of much greater opportunities and improved personal security. There is perhaps no one right answer but from afar it is hard to see how staying in SA is going to be the best choice for the long term. Many college students come to the US and never return home after their visa expires. The same must occur in other countries. Were they to marry in the US they’d get permanent resident status and in a few years citizenship.November 14, 2015 at 9:40 pm #45188
I hope MountainBiker is correct. I’m far from expert in immigration law, but I do personally know of a few cases where Americans married foreign nationals, and their spouses were subsequently threatened with deportation. While we’re not at all immune to the ills of the rest of the world, at least we’re behind them on the timeline, seemingly. I certainly know I would not trade what I’ve got here for any other nation’s conditions. So perhaps coming here could be an excellent move. Just please research the details of immigration law prior to moving, so you don’t have to turn back to a place that is hostile. I suspect there are those here on the Forum that could potentially help you navigate that maze successfully because of their own first hand experiences. (Be careful with Canada – a wonderful country in many respects, but their economy is heading down about as fast as it took the Twin Towers to disappear once they began to fall. And becoming a permanent resident there is not at all quick and easy for those never having lived or worked in Canada, especially without some family member/sponsor there.)November 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm #45190
GS, there are exceptions to everything but unless the marriage is suspected of being a sham such as sometimes occurs with mail order brides or the foreign spouse is a criminal it is not likely there would be any issues.
Earlier you commented on dual citizenship. I agree that one must be loyal to their country of residence and assimilate, but dual citizenship does not automatically mean non-loyalty or non-assimilation. I have dual US-Canadian citizenship despite never living in Canada or having the intent to live in Canada. I got dual citizenship by virtue of my mother being born in Canada to a Canadian mother and though she came to the US as a baby she was never naturalized in the US. Her father was a US citizen born and raised in Massachusetts which gave my mother US citizenship from birth and automatic dual citizenship. I filled out the paperwork for the dual status so as to give me the option of going to Canada should I ever want to. One theoretical scenario would be me going there so as to sponsor my kids going to Canada if future events made that desirable. Until then I’m just another American, but with this special status up my sleeve just in case.
November 15, 2015 at 4:22 am #45197
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MB, I must say, that certainly is a somewhat unique situation, and to be honest, it makes a lot of sense – especially wanting to be able to bring your children there as well, if that ever seemed to be a better option than here. I wasn’t thinking much about Canada. Heck – I’ve got very fond memories of curling matches where we hosted Canadian teams, and others where we went up there. I frankly found the people to be more genuine as a whole, when compared to too many Americans, if that makes any sense. Good folks! In a sense, it was the good things about America without as much of the attitudes, pretenses, etc.
As for dual citizenship with Canada, I don’t have any particular negative reaction with that. It’s other countries, and particular cultures, that I have the problems with. In the past, many cultures came to America and retained theirs while at the same time adapted and blended into ours as well (Irish, Polish, German, etc.). Oktoberfest is still celebrated in the US and has become part of American tradition in some communities with large German ancestry. Good fun, not in any way opposed to basic American values. Same thing with St. Patrick’s day – you don’t have to be Irish to choose to wear green on that day, it’s just celebrated as a fun thing. And yet the Irish get to celebrate it without cramming it down our throats. There are many other traditions and even celebrations that are not intended to be exclusively for one group to the exclusion of the rest of us. One of the neatest experiences I’ve had in a long time was being invited to a Seder at the end of Passover. Not only was it educational, but I found it very enlightening in a number of ways – and felt entirely welcomed, even though I had no idea what was happening without the translation program distributed to non-Jewish guests. Heck – a gazillion years ago, when very directly involved with training of student pilots from various Middle East countries, I was involved each year with the celebration (FEAST!) at the end of Ramadan. But back then, we didn’t have any sense of exclusion from their cultural things, nor did we see any hanging back (with only a few exceptions – mainly Saudi royalty) in their joining of ours.
I actually felt a close kinship with those guys, and wish I knew what happened to some of them after the Shah was gone. It was a very different world back then. Christian and Jewish people were seen as part of the People of the Book by Muslims back then, and Jesus Christ was at least recognized (and even revered) at least as a great prophet. Today? One cannot tell who to trust. And we know from specific statements by militant Muslims that it’s considered perfectly OK to lie when it comes to one’s intent as it regards religion. I suspect that’s partly justified by Abraham who told his wife to tell the Egyptians that she was his sister, but I don’t know that for sure. Mohamed certainly didn’t discourage it!
So, with a few exceptions, I still stand on the dual citizenship issue anymore. Ten years ago? I wouldn’t have given it a thought. But now, when people you don’t even know, can come bomb some activity, stab you on a street corner, or gun you down in a crowd, all because of a supposedly religious and certainly cultural difference, in our own country – I say ship ‘em back where they came from originally without strong, ongoing evidence of them having embraced American culture. They can keep their religion and worship as devoutly as they wish. I don’t worry about Jews suddenly doing an uprising against non-Jews (including Christians), simply because of what somebody can point to in the Old Testament. The same USED to be true of Muslims as well. Now one cannot tell who they can trust, and it’s just gotten too dangerous.
For you? What a great option! If I was to go anywhere else (though I don’t foresee that), it’d almost certainly be Canada (if they could adopt a Southern weather climate – hah hah!). I once knew an Iranian C-130 navigator with whom I became fairly close as he progressed through early pilot training to upgrade to the front seat when he went back home after graduation. He most sincerely invited me and my wife to come visit him in Iran if we could ever arrange it and said he could arrange a trip to the US in a nicely equipped C-130, and fly us there himself. I wish (back then) we could have! Would I have a problem with him, individually, having dual citizenship? None whatsoever – very selective case-by-case exception. In his case, I could imagine him, along with their Iranian liaison officer (who was married to an American woman), being quite comfortable in the US after the Ayatollah came to power. And I could also understand them hoping, somehow, that a return to what they once had (minus the Shah’s brutality) might one day return, thus holding on to their Iranian citizenship. Again, a valid, but for me rare, exception. General policy? Nope!.November 19, 2015 at 2:07 am #45301
Leopard and Dorette and the other SA members.
How are you doing?
RobinNovember 20, 2015 at 6:02 am #45328
We still have problems at the Universities and some of the finals have been cancelled. Also here is a video of a white girl trying to clean up a statue whilst being taunted by those who are trying to defile the statue.
(One of the commentators gave this comment: The girl cleaning is a friend of mine. I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Do you realise how much courage and humility it took for her to stand alone and do what she believes in in the face of so much hate and anger? I am proud to be associated with her.
Another comment: Is morality, kindness, empathy and love not inherent in all people? Have we pushed the boundary too far, far enough to the point where we no longer listen to our inherent goodness? Or is this goodness just not in everybody?
Here and extract from Stellenbosch University FB page: Stellies Rage
November 18 at 9:04pm ·
My heart is broken for you Stellenbosch. I don’t have the answers but I can say that I would never break something, never hurt somebody intentionally and unless it was necessary and never allow my actions to hurt or disadvantage anybody else, whatever colour, knowingly. Why do I feel like people have forgotten this? Is morality, kindness, empathy and love not inherent in all people? Have we pushed the boundary too far, far enough to the point where we no longer listen to our inherent goodness? Or is this goodness just not in everybody? My gender is: irrelevant, my age is: 21, my race is: human race. Please, we need to all take a step back for a moment because this is getting out of control and then what? If we have no university because it is burnt to the ground then what the **** does it matter anyway? Classes won’t be in any language because there will be no places to have classes! Everybody, stand behind the veil of ignorance and think: If I had no idea what colour my skin was, what gender or class I would be how would I want to be treated if I may end up as anybody? Sorry for the long post! I love Stellenbosch University and I am still proudly South African. #GiveSouthAfricaaChance”
Here is some history of the Boer Wars against England and the USA involvement:
R W Johnson wrote a book: “How long will South Africa Survive?” in this book which is very accurate and insightful written by a previous anti-apartheid activist and Oxford Scholar. He says: R W Johnson says: “At the moment the big truth is that since 1994 the ANC has relied upon the inherited infrastructure from white rule. Roads, airports, electricity supply, water. The whole thing. They’ve gradually been running it down by failing to do maintenance and so forth. No wonder the Mandela period did better because the running down had only just begun. And Zuma is getting it in the neck because now we’ve had 21 years of running it down and it’s becoming very threadbare and worn and obvious.
“Look, the ultimate truth is that, if you look at our cabinet, there probably isn’t enough proper talent there to run a medium-sized town in Europe or North America.”
And that unfortunately my friends are the reality. Yesterday, another Eskom substation blew up. So we are sitting in a country which are slowly falling apart. Whites with the expertise cannot be employed to help fix it because of affirmative action. So you cannot even help to fix your own country.
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