November 24, 2014 at 6:37 am #30243
if in Ca, just replace fed with cank of banada. SSDS
Never be afraid to do the righteous thing, nothing righteous is ever easy.November 24, 2014 at 12:54 pm #30250
The american dream is just that …………….a dream .November 24, 2014 at 3:01 pm #30255
My apologies up front for being too preachy but the world has changed (not for the good) and too many people elect to wait for the old world to come back rather than adjust to the new reality.
The cards may be increasingly stacked against the average person, but I think most can have a good life if they are good decision makers. By that I don’t mean being investment geniuses but rather realistic in the choices they make. If you choose not to get a useful education or acquire marketable skills you will find that there isn’t much room for you in the economy. By useful education, I mean that which the world needs. Far too many people get college degrees that don’t qualify them to do anything or that are otherwise a dime a dozen. Going into debt to acquire a useless education makes it even worse. By marketable skills I mean acquiring a technical trade. Having completely renovated our house these past few years, I’ve had lots of trades folks do stuff, and sometimes they are hard to find.
If you choose to be a druggie, alcoholic, or have a criminal record, odds are you will be operating on the fringes. I’ve recently watched up close as my nephew’s choices have all but guaranteed a far more difficult life than he’d of had if he hadn’t of made such poor choices in this regard.
If you choose to live above your means rather than below, the first bump in the road might push you over the edge. Bad things happen to good people and if you are over-extended, you’ll find you have no margin for error when something bad does happen. It is not a function of how much money you make. I’ve seen very high income people go broke and low income people weather storms that would push others over the edge. Much of the issue is recognizing needs vs wants. When I’ve watched people I know remortgage their homes to pay for a kid’s wedding, fund an expensive vacation with credit cards, or take out big mortgages that won’t be paid by time they retire, I shake my head wondering what are they thinking.
No matter what it is harder to achieve the so called American dream than it used to be, but it is very much possible still. At the macro level the Titans of Wall Street have stacked the cards against us, but at the micro level we make choices that affect our outcomes.November 24, 2014 at 5:20 pm #30258
The american dream depends on whether your parents will support you thru college and buy a new car for you when you graduate. Its become a struggle for everyone.November 24, 2014 at 6:00 pm #30259
Parents who can pick up the tab and buy cars makes things easier for sure but for those for whom that is not the reality (which is most people), you can still make it. College degrees can be gotten on the cheap. In many places you can get credits at the local Community College for free while still in high school. After high school you can then live at home while you finish up an Associates at the Community College, and then transfer to a State College for a fraction of what a private college costs. Other than having a bed to sleep in and food on the table, I was more or less on my own for everything else starting when I turned 15. I worked every day after school, every holiday, and snow day and saved virtually all of my money in order to go to college, and during college went to work in the cafeteria kitchen at 6AM to work breakfast and then I’d be back at 5PM to work dinner. I didn’t do any sports or clubs in high school because I worked every day after school scrubbing pots in a corporate cafeteria. No prom because that would’ve cost me $100 when I was only making $1.25 an hour. Had there been smart phones back then you can be assured I’d of never spent the money on one. How many high school kids nowadays that think they can’t afford college have smart phones at $50 per month or whatever they cost? Pretty much all of them. It’s harder now but not many young people are willing to make the requisite sacrifices. Back then college was less expensive relative to wages but there was little in the way of scholarship money. Now there is tons of scholarship money available for kids that apply themselves. You can’t pick what household you are born into but there are a whole lot of choices that are yours to make afterwards.November 24, 2014 at 11:09 pm #30265
Mountainbiker, youl never hear me call you preachy in an insulting way. I get that enough in real world. I may have had a rough childhood that scrapped those prime years to learn spelling and grammar habbits ( i know how, but speed is more valuable to me), i m ay have dropped out of high school despite being gifted in math, (at one point in time, boy do you lose it if you don’t use it… boy do you ever…)… but thats because i knew work and money asap was important… and there was zero chance of being debt free… on the education front… bunch of doctors ruined it for everyone by going to school and declaring bankruptcy immediately afterwords.
the only professions that matter are post disaster ones…protection, medicine, bush craft (hunt/trap), rifle making/maintenance/bullets, people management… there are many more… i would even include programming, tho good luck getting a job unless you figure out a way to market porno better.
there are many many more of course so don’t feel i was being a dink leaving you out if yours is not up here.
i know one thing we don’t need in a post disaster world… money crunching fat cats paid to loan the poorest of the poor money, to destroy the hard working mans future.
america stood up to this **** soundly. and they countered by encouraging mouth breathers to breed, and now it doesnt matter what you vote for… *rant rant* *shakes fist* runs* hides*
Never be afraid to do the righteous thing, nothing righteous is ever easy.November 25, 2014 at 12:15 am #30273
I agree most current professions, including what I did for my entire working career, will be useless if the economy collapses or we otherwise implode. This is why I have been learning some practical skills these past few years, and it is why I moved to where I did. In addition to our specific skill sets, something important that folks like us will bring to a post-SHTF situation is that we’ve already made the mental adjustment. We’ve known something is coming and won’t be like deer caught in the headlights. I’ve already thought about the resources in my little hamlet and what some of our options might be if we are to organize for mutual protection and aid. I’m sure others here have done the same.
That said my earlier posts concern the pre-SHTF world where though it is far harder than it used to be, I maintain that folks can still do OK in this distorted and manipulated economy. It is definitely less forgiving than what used to be but it can still be navigated.November 25, 2014 at 12:38 am #30276
THere has been discussion about this , todays young people tend to be on the lazy side . But in all fairness , they dont see a future for them ahead . For the first time in this country’s history , the generations ahead can look forward to a lower standard of living than the generation that came before . There are no real jobs , They know the monetary system is on the verge of collapse , they know that even if they get a degree , they in truth will not be better off than the guy that doesnt etc . ……….. So I’m calling bullsh*t on the statement of waiting for the old world instead of adjusting to the new world . If anything , they are waiting for the other shoe to drop . The thing is , a society that takes away the incentive and the structure , takes away the motivation ……………the incentive is gone . Just SayinNovember 25, 2014 at 1:31 am #30280
Tolik, we’ll have to agree to disagree. In Maryland, my brother is forever looking to hire people with Masters in Computer Science, Math or similar degrees for high security defense work that precludes non-citizens being considered. Physics and certain Engineering degrees too. Most of the people coming out of our colleges with Masters in these disciplines are foreigners. These are high paying jobs and there are always openings. In Massachusetts where my son works, which is also high security defense work that precludes non-citizens, they are always looking for folks with undergrads in these disciplines, but they have trouble recruiting young people because they’re located in the boondocks. Also high paying jobs. These are all big operations. My 21 year old niece with just an Associates degree in Criminal Justice just got a job with a County Sheriff’s Dept. in New Jersey. Even without overtime she’ll make $60-70,000 a year and with overtime can make substantially more. A few years ago when my daughter was a newly minted teacher in North Carolina with a Masters in Education she got the 1st job she applied for because it was in a fast growing suburban area in great need of teachers. At the time local school districts were sending recruiters up to Michigan looking to entice teachers to move to NC. Hospitals were sending recruiters to Michigan looking to entice nurses to move there too. An economically displaced neighbor went back to school in his late 50’s to become a nurse and got a job upon graduation at an age where many say nobody hires anyone at. A friend in a similar economically displaced position in his late 50’s went and got his insurance license, got a job quickly, and is doing well. Where I used to live in MA there are some high precision manufacturers who struggle to find people with the basics needed to train them on modern computerized machining equipment. There are real jobs that pay well out there for those who will get the necessary education or training. The path isn’t so easy as it used to be but there is a path.November 25, 2014 at 2:27 am #30282
me 2 mountain biker. cant imagine they will want to many chefs in the post shtf world. i won’t say it was a completely useless (slaps belly) learning experience. you learn how to deal with high stressed people, and how to manage time down to the second. so no disrespect intended to anyone and their chosen profession. except the fat cats pushing numbers around.
highest paying job in the world will never get me back in the city tho. f that noise, took forever to escape.
Never be afraid to do the righteous thing, nothing righteous is ever easy.November 25, 2014 at 2:36 am #30283
<div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>Tolik wrote:</div>THere has been discussion about this , todays young people tend to be on the lazy side . But in all fairness , they dont see a future for them ahead .
yea… it sucks to watch people give up so easily.
Never be afraid to do the righteous thing, nothing righteous is ever easy.November 25, 2014 at 2:44 am #30285
I hear ya , f*ck that noise , we have it planned , in a year or two at the most , we are headed to a place in Maine . I used to live there years back , it has just enough , not too big , not too small . THink Andy Grifith show re run . Its 30 miles from Portland , Maines largest city ……………….and Portland isn’t that big either .November 25, 2014 at 2:52 am #30286
want my own land so bad, that sounds great tolik. A little close to the city for my tastes, but you guys down south have all kinds of tools to deal with that. up here nature will sort it out.
Never be afraid to do the righteous thing, nothing righteous is ever easy.November 25, 2014 at 3:34 am #30287
Tolik, for a number of reasons VT made more sense for me to relocate to, but I’d go to Maine in a heartbeat. Maine is an excellent choice, and as far as cities go, Portland is pretty decent. 30 miles out is good distance. This coming weekend I’ll be helping my nephew move about 35 miles outside of Portland. Its a small world as they say.
KOS, being able to cook is definitely a good post-SHTF skill to have. Most of us will be eating comparatively bland I imagine for lack of chef skills.November 25, 2014 at 4:01 am #30288
ill be eating bland 2, we have a good collection of spices, but after hearing selcos interview, and reading all his experiences, we may keep them for trade only, or low moral days.
salt on the other hand is all ours, going to be way.. way.. to valuable when everyone runs out of sodium rich food. life or death that one…
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