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  • #27266
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    sledjockey
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    Well, it is quite simple. Just listen to what the CDC says….. You can’t get it on a bus so just live on a bus. You can give it on a bus, but not get it there…..

    Perfect sense.

    http://ageofdecadence.com

    #27268
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    MountainBiker
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    And they say these things with a straight face no less.

    #27272
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    freedom
    Survivalist
    rnews

    CDC, we do not think it is airborne. I personally do not think the CDC can think anything!

    #27304
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    Ron S
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    I belive that TPTB don’t really know how it is being transmitted and are making ignorant statements to try to avert a National crises. Unfortunately, each statement that is disproved only reveals more of their ignorance. Each statement will lower the peoples belief in the CDC until no-one will place any reliance what-so-ever in what they do say. I think they are only digging themselves a deeper hole. As the saying goes, “when you find yourself digging yorself into a deep hole, quit digging” or something to that effect. RonS

    #27305
    chester
    chester
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    ‘Ebola Believed To Be Potentially Airborne, Researchers Claim’

    http://www.inquisitr.com/1541821/ebola-is-airborne-university-of-minnesota-cidrap-researchers-claim/

    #27306
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    74
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    rnews

    This is a link to the whole paper.

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

    “There has been a lot of on-line and published controversy about whether Ebola virus can be transmitted via aerosols. Most scientific and medical personnel, along with public health organizations, have been unequivocal in their statements that Ebola can be transmitted only by direct contact with virus-laden fluids2,3 and that the only modes of transmission we should be concerned with are those termed “droplet” and “contact.”

    These statements are based on two lines of reasoning. The first is that no one located at a distance from an infected individual has contracted the disease, or the converse, every person infected has had (or must have had) “direct” contact with the body fluids of an infected person.

    This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract”

    What do we know about Ebola transmission?
    No one knows for certain how Ebola virus is transmitted from one person to the next. The virus has been found in the saliva, stool, breast milk, semen, and blood of infected persons.8,9 Studies of transmission in Ebola virus outbreaks have identified activities like caring for an infected person, sharing a bed, funeral activities, and contact with blood or other body fluids to be key risk factors for transmission.1

    Modern research, using more sensitive instruments and analytic methods, has shown that aerosols emitted from the respiratory tract contain a wide distribution of particle sizes—including many that are small enough to be inhaled.5,6 Thus, both small and large particles will be present near an infectious person.

    The chance of large droplets reaching the facial mucous membranes is quite small, as the nasal openings are small and shielded by their external and internal structure. Although close contact may permit large-droplet exposure, it also maximizes the possibility of aerosol inhalation.

    As noted by early aerobiologists, liquid in a spray aerosol, such as that generated during coughing or sneezing, will quickly evaporate,7 which increases the concentration of small particles in the aerosol. Because evaporation occurs in milliseconds, many of these particles are likely to be found near the infectious person.

    The current paradigm also assumes that only “small” particles (less than 5 micrometers [mcm]) can be inhaled and deposited in the respiratory tract. This is not true. Particles as large as 100 mcm (and perhaps even larger) can be inhaled into the mouth and nose. Larger particles are deposited in the nasal passages, pharynx, and upper regions of the lungs, while smaller particles are more likely to deposit in the lower, alveolar regions. And for many pathogens, infection is possible regardless of the particle size or deposition site.”

    #27311
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    freedom
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    rnews

    chester In the article “scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients.”

    This is what I have been saying all this time that Ebola is semi-airborne to about 20 feet. The CDC doesn’t want to say that but that looks like what is happening.

    74, your article is right. I was reading another article wear they were saying that the Ebola virus in dead bodies maybe more contagious then other viruses and they think it may stay alive for more than other viral infected bodies, longer time before it dies, maybe 14 to 21 days. This is not good.

    Everyone needs to know that if this grows to a national epidemic it may last over a year. It would collapse the economy.

    #27314
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    KOS
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    *sigh* well the optimist in me wants to say they are searching for hundreds of people because the public is panicy and demanding a response.

    The cynic in me is suggesting damage control is being preformed covertly, and that we are all playing with fire.

    Guess we will see one way or the other. Glad I bought that respirator when I had a job.

    Never be afraid to do the righteous thing, nothing righteous is ever easy.

    #27333
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    Brulen
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    Will there be airline travel for xmas and t’giving this year? I doubt it. Looks like Atlas is shrugging right now. The ebolaflu policy is being made by the dumbest people in this country. There’s nothing else to say except debate with them is useless.

    #27345
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    freedom
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    rnews

    The Ebola virus is the new way for the economy to collapse. Airline travel will go down and this Christmas shopping will be done online for many. Not many will be going to shopping malls.

    #27349
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    Brulen
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    Ah Freedom, there’s the paradox. Flubola will be wiped off the tv by xmas. LOL

    #27507
    Leopard
    Leopard
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    An article written by African Travel doctors

    See attached pdf file

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    #27525
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    freedom
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    rnews

    Leopard, Thanks for the PDF file, has some very good points.

    #27906
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    74
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    rnews

    Just in case anyone missed this bit of info over the weekend.

    “Ebola is a lot easier to catch than health officials have admitted — and can be contracted by contact with a doorknob contaminated by a sneeze from an infected person an hour or more before, experts told The Post Tuesday.

    “If you are sniffling and sneezing, you produce microorganisms that can get on stuff in a room. If people touch them, they could be” infected, said Dr. Meryl Nass, of the Institute for Public Accuracy in Washington, DC.

    Nass pointed to a poster the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention quietly released on its Web site saying the deadly virus can be spread through “droplets.”

    “Droplet spread happens when germs traveling inside droplets that are coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose or mouth of another person,” the poster states.

    http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

    #27907
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    freedom
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    rnews

    74, this is what you and I have posted before that Ebola is a semi-airborne which can travel in the air as fare as 20 feet when someone with Ebola sneezes. We can say it is close to how the FLU virus infects people. The government is just down playing this, another words for that is they are not telling us everything so it is not a lie. RIGHT!

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