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  • #32937
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    thats correct Tolik, i am not against religion but i dont like what people do for their own religion

    #32940
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    Pokerranger,
    Capitalism is not intented to be utopian, I don’t think I ever read anything within the founding fathers documents even mention the word capitalism and certainly not uutopia. The term was not used heavily until Marx used it as a pejorative. Capitalism stems from individual property ownership (of all kinds) and the right to buy, sell, trade, make a profit or lose money without interference. Commerce and free trade are outcomes of capitalism as are every new invention in the modern world. You could not read this forum without capitalism. There would be no electricity, no computers, no cars, we would live in the stone age without commerce and profit. Profit and wealth built every civilization on the planet using every resource available at the time of their existence. Let me ask, what has communism ccontributed to the world in the last 100 years?

    #32943
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    i agree with you communism has hardly gifted the modern world with anything new. communism do the same thing as capitalism but only slowly. it does not give us right to explore, invent ,reinvent any thing new but you want a society where every one who is rich are oppressing the poor. now you will say that with capitalism comes progress but this “progress” is not equal for all

    and if i am not wrong before first world war usa was aloof from the world politics and the founding fathers wanted a country that was free from the domination of great britain. but you were not about equality first. there was slavery then oppression against the natives and you gave women the voting rights after the first world war

    #32945
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    Ranger,
    I really don’t know what your point is. Historically every nation and every part of the world evolve and devolve culturally and ethically. Using current standards to judge the past is ridiculous. For example one could look at India and say it is an abhorrent place because in the past the caste system was eforced rigorously. Well talk about a system of inequalities, wow. How about South Africa with apartheid, same thing. At one point the entire world accepted slavery. Who gets a pass now?

    #32947
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    yep india is a crazy place to live in and you have to walk on egg shells when religion is involved ………….

    dont you think we are getting diverted from the topic

    #32948
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    Yes, we are getting diverted from the original topic, but again, capitalism/democracy isn’t about equality of results, just equality of opportunity. Of course those born to wealth and privilege have more opportunity than those born to poverty, there is no denying that, but the vast majority of people can make the necessary choices under capitalism/democracy to determine their lot in life. Whether they succeed or fail is usually a result of the choices they have made rather than being pre-ordained at birth.

    #32950
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    well said mountain biker

    #32963
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    Ranger,
    Off topic, not so much because the discussion is about individual freedom with opportunity of your own choosing and a spirit that can’t be suppressed.

    #32967
    Tolik
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    74 , in answer to the question of what has it given us in the past 100 years , here it is .
    1. Mosin Nagants
    2. AK 47’s
    3 Tokarevs
    4. a model of what not to follow and why .
    5. a lot of very good looking Eastern European women not screwed up by modern western culture , of anything goes .
    Number 2 , and especially number 5 , is something I very much appreciate . Look at it this way , in some states , the threat of a place becoming a Union shop is sometimes enough to make bad employers more reasonable . That should be a warning to we the people for governments treatment of us . Unfortunately , propaganda works ……..until things are so bad that the people wake up .
    The only place Communism works well , is at the small or tribe level , but then again , thats more Socialism than Communism , Indian Tribes are an example of that . You have both Socialism and individualism at the same time .

    #32977
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    ranger, The problem is that other countries have a different definition of what is capitalism so what happens is the U. S. has a very good capitalism but the other countries use a mix of socialism, dictatorship or communism with capitalism so that is not the same as the U. S. Look at China it is a communism/capitalism country were only the elite communist can own businesses and be capitalist with a limit.

    I am not sure how you see the India system? Is it a mix too?

    Right now the U. S. is a mix of capitalism/socialism. We need to turn back the clock to only capitalism.

    #32979
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    Be honest with you , all I care about is the US Constitution , if thats kept 100% in force , I really dont care about the rest . The lefties can have all the Socialism they want , as long as the constitution is kept in force . The constitution does not forbid socialism , it does forbid totalitarian socialism ( communism ) . Some of that is actually needed , , like SS for when you are too old to work , disability if you get hurt , etc . We turn back the clock to the 1800’s or more , you were completely on your own , thats not good either for a modern industrial nation . That works in a small population , but not a large one , with all the usable land already spoken for . Capitalism needs to be kept in check , too much of that without regulation is also bad , free enterprise works fairly well with minimal regulation , if allowed to . Let companies go under , that is supposed to happen , no bail outs , let the corrections occur , but at the same time break up monopolies .

    #32990
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    Tolik, I love the idea of SS but it doesn’t work. Why because all the money you my father you father put into it was used by the government to fund other things. If SS would have been done the right way like have a fund that no one was able to use for other government expenses then yes it would have been great. It is out of money because the government used it’s money and gave the SS IOU’s paper, there are Trillions of dollars in IOU’s to the SS.

    This is why it not a good program. My father also like his SS check but he is mad that the government used a lot of the SS money for there own use. This is the problem with Socialism were the government takes more and more of your pay check and then uses the monies for other expenses, projects.

    The idea of SS was and still is a great idea if the government would leave it’s monies and not use it for other things.

    I just see that everything the government does there is bad management of our monies.

    #32991
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    Bad management = dishonesty & corruption

    #32998
    Tolik
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    In its original form , it did work . Its when it was abused by Dems to get votes and the republicans stealing from it that it went astray . Again , I really dont give a crap about how much socialism is put in as long as the constitution is 100% in force , that , and that alone is what makes us free . Other than gods gift of free will .

    #33018
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    to answer freedoms question india is also a mix system but in the last six months the govt is rapidly privatizing all the sectors

    in india the systhem of ss is hardly implimented and people are left to fend for their own

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