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  • #45760
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    L Tecolote
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    So, what’s coming at us is a global financial collapse instead of a merely domestic one? And? How does spreading the misery help us?

    “Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. None of the problems that caused the crisis the last time around have been fixed, and most of our “leaders” seem blind to what is happening at this moment even though the exact same patterns that played out in 2008 are playing out once again right in front of our eyes.

    If you have been waiting for the next global financial crisis, you can stop, because it is already here.

    As we move toward the end of 2015, let us hope for the best, but let us also get prepared for the worst.” (from the article)

    So, how does it benefit us, if everyone , (except, perhaps, the Saudis, et al) are losers? All trucks up to the axles in the same mud puddle hardly sounds like “Happy Days Are Here Again.”

    Cry, "Treason!"

    #45762
    Tolik
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    Some of those countries are 3rd world countries , and count for little in the big picture one way , or the other . Had to laugh at Ukraine , its a war zone , no surprises there . A good part of the able bodied work force , in the form of working age men are fleeing the country in order to avoid being drafted into the meat grinder ……….they dont count . That conflict would have been long over by now if we and the EU would stop propping up Porchenko . What does Egypt produce other than tourism ? Not a lot . Turkey ? besides cigarettes and jihadists , what else do they make that has an impact on the world stage ? Not much . Columbia ? I guess the legit business are down , but their drug cartels are doing just fine . Nigeria and Kenya ? PLEASE!!!!!!!!! besides having a lot of people nobody wants , whats there that we cant live without ? I agree about it being a world wide collapse . Some countries will weather it better than others . We are in for a rude awakening , China probably doesnt care all that much . If they have made plans to keep vital internal mechanisms going , and it looks like they have , then they most likely look at the drop in population as a positive . It may even be planned . Third world countries are third world countries , they will continue to be poor in ” good Times ” or bad , for the peasant , little will change . Sort of like old Ronnies theory of ” trickle down economics ” , it didnt work , because of the greed factor .

    #45766
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    L Tecolote, I never posted that a total collapse of the world will help us more or less. The topic of the post is the collapse of the dollar and the article makes it look like China will win with there yuan. I do not think so. That is all I am saying.

    #45769
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    Freedom i wont say what i have to back me but it is way way more than that a generational thing that goes far back beyond the start of the americas.

    when my family came to USA we where greeted by harry s truman in person at the plane.

    every country comes back….. now chinas return after what 800 years approx you will have a long wait till USA comes back and it wont start till fundamentals are fixed. starting with education but our owners dont want smart monkeys just ones to fill the rolls they give to each block. Look at italy are romans coming back? The mighty empire of the middle east? in time not now down is a long slow slide till something changes and not in one generation unless you want a weimar germany situation.

    you cant speak here or in usa against the government that is terrorism according to laws some free speech free to do as they tell you to or the cops will get you and “persuade” you

    if you are free why can they take your stuff and you prove its yours? search and seizure in usa id billion dollar cop buisness

    if you dont want to sell your land govement eminent domains it that isnt free https://www.google.ca/search?q=china+nail+house+motorway&espv=2&biw=1184&bih=607&tbm=isch&imgil=RWI1qIOZdAyGXM%253A%253B1HSWpISMZvehqM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ibtimes.co.uk%25252Fchinas-nail-houses-defiant-homeowners-who-refuse-move-out-make-way-progress-photos-1512027&source=iu&pf=m&fir=RWI1qIOZdAyGXM%253A%252C1HSWpISMZvehqM%252C_&dpr=0.9&usg=__AVnvycde_Kn00XHQteRHWqR8eJs%3D&ved=0ahUKEwin7s2O2MfJAhVk44MKHRcQAXMQyjcIJA&ei=0GZkVqfGIOTGjwSXoISYBw#imgrc=RWI1qIOZdAyGXM%3A&usg=__AVnvycde_Kn00XHQteRHWqR8eJs%3D
    those are from china where they dose not take whats yours and build around.

    well if it is your rights how many times do you have to tell politicians no to taking away second amendment?

    USA tortures people to get no actionable intelligence including your own citizens and innocent people.

    lets not even get into doctors that cure diseases dieing

    free to go kill other people duly elected officials because USA think them a threat (most of middleast and south america) or fund rebels to kill but since not USA troops only advisors it is not a WAR

    free to burn out your own ranchers Free to propagandize tv free to silence dissenters free to take you away at night with no trial…

    if that freedom you can have it YEEE HAAAW that some freedom

    When you keep propping up something you know is wrong you become part of the problem they have won if you consider what you have freedom…. you live in a jail of your mind built by owners you have drank the koolaid in jonestown and there is no hope freedom since you accept your place your boundaries your cell.

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    #45772
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    I understand you namelus, but we are still more free then others in Russia, China, South & Central America and Europe were they can’t buy a gun and there constitution doesn’t have a 2nd Amendment.

    Yes the left is trying to take the right away but that has been going on since way back. Bill Clinton tried but it didn’t work. We will see what will happen. My point is that to develop a real supper power like America you have to have freedom. Without it all you will be is a dictatorship with all your wealth invested in the military like what happen to Russia and what is now happening to China. In the long run they all fall because they will never have the freedom of the people to think, develop, invent. Without that you end up like Russia with has oil and military weapons as there development.

    “if that freedom you can have it YEEE HAAAW that some freedom” We still have the freedom to speech our minds like you are doing right now on this post, can’t do that in China or Russia. You have the freedom of protecting your family and your right. Freedom to arm your self. Were can you do that.

    When you keep propping up something you know is wrong you become part of the problem they have won if you consider what you have freedom…. you live in a jail of your mind built by owners you have drank the koolaid in jonestown and there is no hope freedom since you accept your place your boundaries your cell.

    You say you have been all over the world well were in the world do you have the freedom to own an AR-15 or AK47 in your home? Were can you post your opinions against the government like we do here? We are still free to build a business and be 100% owner of that business. I have been to many countries in the world.
    Yes we have lost some freedoms! But we are still very free here.

    namelus, I have one question for you, what country in the world have you gone to that has in every city a gun store? We have Big stores like Dicks Sports, BassPro, Cabelas, and online is crazy big. Our freedoms are very big.

    This 2nd Amendment is in there way to take over.

    The rest of the world doesn’t like all the freedoms we have.

    #45777
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    Freedom, you are a good person. No one here is trying to take you down. I think you at least recognize that there can be interpersonal squabbles from time to time, but we’re brothers and sisters here, regardless of location on this globe. We all come from different circumstances, we all have individual brains that operate roughly the same way but with differences in personality. Some that don’t live in the US sometimes speak (or at least write) better English than those of us that do. And I’d be willing to bet that the majority of multi-lingual people on here, percentage wise, are those living outside the US. Right here, and a few other places like it, are what “diversity” is all about. So this is (or should) not be a battle ground.

    With that said, and in that spirit, I want to pose a situation to you, and then ask a question. Suppose the Republicans get to attacking each other SO badly in the coming year that people become fed up, Hillary Clinton (or Bernie Sanders, or riding in on her white horse Elizabeth the-0.000031%-Indian [maybe] Warren) win the White house and help sweep in enough Democratic Socialists to Congress to have a 3/3 majority in the elected branches of government beginning in January 2017. Suppose Congress already has legislation crafted that places so many restrictions on gun ownership that repeal of the 2nd Amendment becomes unnecessary. Suppose they pass it on day-1 of the new Congress in 2017, and President Clinton/Sanders/Warren signs it immediately. You’re then suddenly on the list of restricted people. Mr. White-shirt-and-tie shows up at your door, respectfully rings the door bell, and you open it. You’re shown what appears to be a real court order signed by a judge, and the person presenting it to you shows you ID that convinces you he’s the government official he says he is. And behind him, politely waiting at the curb, is a heavily armed and outfitted swat team, suitable for an ISIS terror cell raid. The official informs you that someone in your home has met one of the criteria for gun confiscation, therefore access to guns in your home is no longer permitted for anyone, and he and his co-workers are there to relieve you of all of your weapons. Perhaps you have some legally purchased weapons, for which background checks were done, so they know about those. But they also have no idea how many other guns you may have inherited from relatives that brought them home from WWII, or from their pre-registration days of ownership, and they passed those down to you. Or perhaps you bought a gun from a friend, or answered a newspaper ad years ago – when you could still find such ads in local papers – and bought a gun (or two, or more) that way. But because your new acquaintances at the door doesn’t know for sure what you (or any family member) might have, they have a search warrant to go along with the gun pickup order.

    You’ve got three choices at that point: (1) Slam the door in his face; (2) allow him in to execute the search warrant until they’ve torn apart your entire home; or (3) draw your concealed weapon and waste him on the spot. Option #1 results in his curbside friends doing a very rapid advance and entering anyway, with anyone in your house suddenly liable to exit this life momentarily. Option #2 quickly results in your loss of all those “second amendment rights.” Option #3 results in at least two dead: the official at the door, and you, plus anyone else that might be inside and considered “a threat.”

    If you come back with the answer that you and your family have no such possible situations that would result in your disqualification for ownership of legal firearms, think again. Ever heard of the Lautenberg Amendment? Under the cover of darkness (i.e. in the wee hours of the morning during the “budget reconciliation hearings” of the Clinton days, Senator Frank Lautenberg (may his soul rest in everlasting torment) slipped in an amendment that did away with the concept of protection from ex post facto laws (Article 1, Section 9: “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.”). Example of “violation” – in 1971 a newly married 21 year old gets into an argument with his wife after being out drinking with his buddies, slaps her once, she calls police, they respond, the officer sees the slap mark on her cheek, and the young, drunk, immature husband is taken to jail. The next morning in Recorders Court he tearfully tells the judge that he is guilty, is terribly sorry, wishes to try to make it up to his wife, and his wife is there to say she forgives him and wants him home. He pays his fine. The judge waives jail time, puts him on six months probation, and he leaves the court. He goes home, promises his wife it will never happen again, begins attending AA faithfully, never drinks again, is a model husband, raises three successful children, and finally retires comfortably with his wife of 40+ years. One of his hobbies in retirement is hunting. That’s when HE gets his knock at the door – 45 years after his stupid incident at age 21, which was a full 25 years PRIOR to enactment of the Lautenberg Amendment. Unconstitutional, you say? Tell it to the courts that have ruled it oh-so-constitutional. Tell it to the successful model police officers, military, and others that – after years of faithful service – were suddenly stripped of their jobs after 1996 because their jobs required the carrying of firearms. Oh – you didn’t hear about all that in the newspapers? That’s not because it wasn’t happening right under the noses of nearly 300 million Americans at that time. Congress and the President can do whatever they want if the courts don’t rule against them – the Constitution be damned. And who’s going to enforce it anyway, if the President, Congress, and the Court won’t abide by it? The military? Dream on….

    So there you go: whatcha gonna do when that knock comes on YOUR door? Waste the official? Perhaps many here would applaud principle over practicality, and say “right on!” Perhaps others would say you need to at least be able to be there for your family thereafter, armed or not. But either way, does it really matter at that point? You and what army are going to rebel sufficiently to take back this country to what it was, when you’ve got so many college students that can tell you what actress was just cheated on by her live-in boyfriend, but can’t tell you who the Vice President is, who their senators or representative are, or how many branches of government even exist (let alone such fine points as whether senators were always elected and why or why not, or whether the Constitution even permits the 16th Amendment (Article 1, JUST sections 8 and 9 are oh so interesting when read closely!!!)? Where in the population are you going to find sufficient numbers that were willing to vote Obama in twice (or Bush-II, for that matter), that will see the light when they never learned what that light was even all about in school because it wasn’t taught there, or in their homes? When you’ve only got about 2% of the population that has ever worn the uniform of the US military, tell me where you’re going to get the backing to finally take your stand and start Revolution v2.0?

    The fact is, Freedom, what we all know about here in the way of principles of liberty, what’s contained in the Constitution, etc., is entirely unknown to the vast majority of people in the US anymore. Oh sure, they know a few buzz words like “unconstitutional,” and “I know my rights,” and “I’ve got freedom of speech,” and “separation of church and state,” but they throw those terms around and nothing about what they really mean. They’re about as literate in those areas as the people that don’t know the grammatical difference between to, too, and two, or your and you’re, or effect and affect. So the effective fact is that our “rights” are merely on paper anymore. The courts will not uphold them, Congress will not follow them, and the office of President of the United States has become a quasi-dictator through the use of a cell phone and a pen. He controls vast numbers of Executive Branch departments and their agencies, and can issue “them” Executive Orders” to do just about anything he wants done to the citizenry. Others have done it before him, but Barack Hussein Obama has become a master at EOs passing as “laws” that apply to you and me.

    Please, please, please don’t lose your idealism. But you need to add in a very significant dose of realism, my friend. Personally, I went through a period of significant anger and degree of depression as I came to realize the state we’re in. I’ve also worked hard at not only memorizing the Serenity Prayer, but far more importantly, learning how to use all three clauses of that philosophy of life. And make sure you understand that I very well understand line 2 of that three line piece of wisdom – “the courage to change the things I can.” But I will say no more on that subject.

    #45778
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    Oh – sorry for the addition after that exceptionally long post, but I have to address two of your other questions (I already addressed the AR-15/AK-47 question above):

    Were can you post your opinions against the government like we do here? We are still free to build a business and be 100% owner of that business.

    Did you not listen to what (Y)OUR Attorney General just said in the link kindly supplied by L Tecolote? Did you not notice the backdrop on the wall that read “Muslim Advocates?” She said her “greatest fear” as Attorney General, and something the intends to go after, is anti-Muslim rhetoric. So, you get locked up for making a statement here about Muslims, after someone is “offended” and she decides you’re a threat. What happened to your freedom of speech? And did you not understand when your president said you didn’t build your business? All too many business “owners” know all too well about oppressive regulations that have literally pushed them OUT of business.

    I’m not trying to be argumentative with you, Freedom – just asking you to open your good eyes a bit further to realize just how much has been yanked and swept away while you were merely blinking.

    #45782
    Tolik
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    Things get that bad , and the people dont have the kahones to start a revolution , then my next relocation will be Russia , because at that point , this country is gone .

    #45783
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    Hmmmm. I guess you could take comfort knowing that at least some of the Russian troops would likely still be where they are today – busily engaged in eastern Ukraine. Me? I’m hoping the quasi-life expectancy of the US exceeds my own by at least a day. I tremble for my kids and particularly grand and great grand kids – though I suspect it will ALL be wrapped up by then. I just hate what they’ll have to endure before then. Just don’t for a moment interpret my comments to be the equivalent of “I give up and will just let them have their way with me regardless.” Like I said – I subscribe to all THREE lines of the Serenity Prayer. And line-2 items could come at any time, under all kinds of circumstances. I have many line-1 limitations (age and the lack of some skills of some here, for example – though I’m here for learning), so I concentrate on maximizing (and being ready for) my line-2 opportunities, and then do my best not to go crazy in the meantime by keeping line three in mind at all times in my decision making.

    #45784
    Tolik
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    Hey ! we older guys are good for holding fixed positions , freeing up the others to do what they need to do . If you can shoot and have the determination to hold , your useful .

    #45785
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    Current trends under “progressive” rule are not good but I think some here are painting an overly dark picture of where we are now. The kinds of govt abuse that some talk of are still very much the exceptions rather than the norm. Virtually all in the US live their lives as they choose and to date at least, live in relative safety. Healthy white Christian men that lean conservative politically legitimately feel under assault by the liberals. I agree with that but I am old enough to remember seeing want ads in the paper specifying whether the jobs were open to women, older people, or minorities. The majority of the US population (older workers, women, minorities, people with disabilities etc) have far more freedoms than they had 50 years ago. A black friend now deceased who had a high level career in military intelligence followed by an excellent career as an electrical engineer told me one day of how when he was a young soldier a restaurant down South wouldn’t serve him when he was in military uniform. To their credit his white soldier friends all got up and left with him. His son is now a Harvard educated JAG officer (attorney for the non-Americans here) in the Army and enjoys rights his father didn’t have.

    Yes I know I live in a bubble. I also know that though govt is going down paths that don’t bode well for the country, most of us still enjoy vast freedoms most of the world’s citizens don’t have.

    #45786
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    Let’s see what Obama has to say tonight, I wonder how we will feel about our country after his speech?

    #45788
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    GS, On “repeal of the 2nd Amendment ” Will not happen. First you need the senate and the house to vote on it and then you have to get 60% of the state governors to sign it and approve it and then the president. We have never have a total control of all by the Democrats, right now I think that there are over 33 or 34 Republican governors and we have the senate and the house. For them to get all four at the same time will not happen since the governors are not up for reelection.

    Bill Clinton got the assault weapons ban but was not abble to ban the pre-own assault weapons, not the votes there.
    Do not underestimate the power of the NRA with the senate and house. NRA has a long history and have won many wars.

    GS, the minute they start going door to door we will have a civil war. At this time there are more then 100 million gun owners and even if a low number of them don’t turn in and go to war(2 to 3%) we are talking about 2 to 3 million men army. Also the minute this starts happening some that were thinking of turning there guns in will turn too. They(government) knows this! If they had any thinking that all of us would be turning in our guns they would have done this years ago. Look at California, New York, and Chicago were they have passed many gun laws including the max of 10 in a magazine. What has happen? No one is lining up to turn in there high cap 30 round mags. PLEASE. I call this Molon Labe at it’s best. The government knows this.

    GS, the Attorney General, the new one and the old one are full of talk for the last 7 years and O has tried his executive orders but found out that on gun control it will not work that is why he cries every time there is a shooting for common sense gun laws, which is just another name for gun control. He is got a little more the a year left.

    I too love everyone here, but I will hit hard when it comes to freedom, liberty and the U. S. Constitution.

    I also believe in my heart that we will be hit hard but we will get back up, we are Americans. The land of the free.

    Tolik my friend, we need you here to the end. Freedom we know that sometimes one generation has to pay for the next generation freedoms and liberties we have enjoyed. I know you understand this better then I since your family has been in America for generations. You will teach the young how to defend there freedoms. You will never be to old for that.

    #45791
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    Freedom, you did not read my post closely enough. I never talked about repeal of the 2nd amendment. And going door to door is unlikely to happen either (I do agree with MountainBiker to a large extent – we’re still more free in this country than most any other reasonably civilized nation on earth). Please read it again – particularly the part about the Lautenberg Amendment. I personally know MANY who were suddenly hit with the Lautenberg Amendment many years after committing misdemeanor offenses with no jail time at all (just the possibility of jail had the judge so imposed it). Yet suddenly, years later – in violation of the Constitution – we had an ex post facto law (“after the fact”) whereby the US government could take away a person’s right to ever own a gun again, as well as that same right for anyone in the person’s household, because if anyone else owned one, the person in question would have access. That’s not theory – that exists and has been implemented many times. You just won’t be reading about it in your newspaper – it’s not politically expedient for the general public to have any idea. I’m even aware of attorneys that have represented people involved in very minor domestic violence cases – as well, amazingly, as the judges in the cases – not even knowing about the Lautenberg Amendment. If I hadn’t witnessed it myself, I would not have believed that could exist in our country. Believe it. Do an search on any good search engine using the terms “Lautenberg Amendment” and “Military” and/or “Police.” You’ll see plenty of real-world Q&A sites, real cases, etc. People HAVE lost careers over this (more than one or two), many years after early life mistakes that were never repeated. And the Lautenberg Amendment is just one example of the kinds of things that can be done legislatively and/or administratively without ever repealing the 2nd Amendment. Mental health and medications are another HUGE issue that hasn’t yet become the headache (and worse) that it could become in that area. What is “mental illness?” Which medications should be used to ban possession of a firearm? There are those (many of them) in Congress, and certainly in the White House (and probably the Supreme Court) that would be more than happy to take away people’s guns because of a wide range of so-called “mental health” issues.

    Just one more (and there are many) example is what the VA started doing to vets that THEY considered in need of a person to handle their finances. It doesn’t matter if the vet was stark raving mad, or simply had a physical disability that somehow kept him or her from managing their finances adequately. Once the VA unilaterally made that determination – without even informing them of the reason in the letter of notification (that may or may not even give them time to adequately contest the ruling), they are also informed that they will no longer have gun rights.

    http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/disarming-americas-heros-veterans-receiving-official-letters-prohibiting-them-from-purchasing-possessing-receiving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition

    As the article says, what if it’s an older person on Social Security? What if some social worker decides that the recipient is “too old” to handle their own financial affairs as well? Why should such power be restricted to the VA? An executive order could quickly take care of that.

    There are all kinds of ways to completely go around the 2nd Amendment. You didn’t “get” what I said. The NRA had no power to keep the Lautenberg Amendment OR the VA’s purely administrative “authority” from banning people from firearms ownership (or even access). It’s already happened, and it will be exploited to the maximum extent possible by those intent on taking away all guns – particularly Hillary Clinton who I personally heard say that’s what she hopes for.

    Read that post again, and again, until it sinks in – it’s ALREADY HERE, and it’s only a matter of degree. It can be expanded any time they want. So it will not be door-to-door. It will be case-by-case, probably one neighborhood one day, then another city the next, and so forth. And one law or executive order after another – incrementally – until the 2nd Amendment is still part of the Constitution, but has become a museum piece only. That’s not theoretical – that’s going on and has been going on, step by incremental (and hidden-in-plain-sight) step for many years (particularly since 1996).

    #45792
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    Mental health and medications are another HUGE issue that hasn’t yet become the headacheAGREE they are trying every way they can. Thank you on the info “Lautenberg Amendment” will read up on it.

    On “Read that post again, and again, until it sinks in – it’s ALREADY HERE, and it’s only a matter of degree. It can be expanded any time they want. So it will not be door-to-door. It will be case-by-case, probably one neighborhood one day, then another city the next, and so forth. And one law or executive order after another – incrementally – until the 2nd Amendment is still part of the Constitution, but has become a museum piece only. That’s not theoretical – that’s going on and has been going on, step by incremental (and hidden-in-plain-sight) step for many years (particularly since 1996).” GS, this door to door or case by case will still run like fire and will be very hard to get away with taking every gun in the U. S. There is close to 500 million weapons, many are underground somewhere. It will start the largest war we have ever seen.

    I believe that if they knew they would be able to get away with taking all the guns away this would have happen already. I follow the Oath Keepers for a long time now and they have stopped the government many time. I think you know this. The minute something happens of an over power of the fed the Oath Keepers are there. Read there website for there news https://www.oathkeepers.org/

    I know the feds have found that it is not going to be easy, there will be a civil war. Just on black friday there was more then 185,000 gun sales, one day! Way to many for them to round up without civil unrest to happen.

    O is crying for more gun control laws because he can’t get them. He doesn’t know what to do and he knows he is running out of time.

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