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  • #47188
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    Not wanting to start a new thread I’m posting this here.

    “The “Bundy stand-off” in Oregon at a federal wildlife refuge has triggered (or, rather, re-triggered) questions about the constitutionality of federal land ownership. Westerners in particular question why the federal government should own nearly 30% of the country. In the West, the issue is particularly important. The federal government has title to about half the territory of the eight Rocky Mountain states, the west coast states, and Alaska. The share of ownership in each of those states ranges from about 30% to about 88%. (Exact figures vary according to the mode of calculation.) Westerners who work with the land tend to hold very critical views of how the federal government manages its holdings.”

    http://constitution.i2i.org/2016/02/

    #47190
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    Good article. It is helpful in understanding the land ownership issue. Few understand much about it at all. Not much will happen however until Western State governments start demanding the land be turned over to the States. I doubt that will happen though given all of the entrenched interests.

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    Sadly, it’s all about who’s got enough money to buy the greatest influence. As long as the basic teachings of Judeo-Christian ethics are not at the top of the fundamentals, it won’t work.

    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”
    — John Adams (1797-1801) Second President of the United States and Patriot

    #47779
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    There is always the possibility the reported investigation is all for not. However apparently some members of the FBI look like they were involved in wrong doing.

    FBI agents under investigation for possible misconduct in LaVoy Finicum shooting

    http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_agents_und.html

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    They may be able to successfully, possibly even rightfully argue that (a portion of) the Finicum shooting was justified, but the video from inside the vehicle clearly seems to show unjustified shooting of the vehicle (i.e. at the occupants themselves with clearly no acts on their part that should have been seen as threatening). The first two rounds that were apparently fired right as Finicum was stepping out – before he made any gesture toward his gun – were not what took him down. I just don’t see how those were at all justified. And if the report is correct that the round that broke the passenger window came through the roof first, then it had to have come from behind Finicum (i.e. from the opposite side of the vehicle). And that was before he seemed to be going for his gun. Even the FBI video was clear on when he made what appeared to be a threatening move – well after he was already outside, and well after those first two rounds. It will be interesting to also learn the specifics of direction and timing of the round that struck one of the occupants – MAYBE an errant shot at Finicum, but at this point we don’t know. The question may never be answered. Clearly they’ve already got evidence of some kind of cover up, with the two rounds that were originally undisclosed.

    That inside-the-vehicle video is very disturbing…. [significant understatement] Thanks for posting, 74 – I think. Sometimes not even knowing is easier. I find viewing death once it’s already happened to be far easier than watching real evil in real time.

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    “The first two rounds that were apparently fired right as Finicum was stepping out”

    Actually the first shot occurs (at least the group in the car thinks they are being shot at and listening to the video the car is hit with something) about 50 yards in front of the road block. It is hit again before the car veers. At issue is what actions are legal in Oregon for police given the circumstances. Maybe they can legally do whatever they feel is justified?

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