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  • #41922
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    I have had an NAA (North American Arms) magnum revolver (comes with the LR cylinder as well) for about a year. It has become my daily carry pistol although I do have a 1911 in my truck and do also carry an M&P Shield when out and about. It is just so easy to keep the little .22 mag pistol in my pocket that I actually forget that I have it with me at times.

    No joke or exaggeration at all: I carry it at the gym, swimming, etc…. Places where you normally can’t carry decently are not an issue with this little guy.

    Anyone else have one or use one as either a primary carry or backup?

    This is the ammo I use, btw:
    CCI Maxi Mag .22 mag

    Caliber Bullet Weight (gr) Bullet Type Box Count
    22 Win Mag 40 TMJ 50

    Velocity, ft/sec
    Muzzle 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    1875 1603 1478 1366

    Energy, ft-lbs
    Muzzle 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    312 228 194 166

    Trajectory if sighted at 100 yards
    25 Yards 50 yards 75 yards 100 yards
    0.1 0.9 1.0 0.0

    If you think about it. This is actually more muzzle energy than most .38 loads.

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    #41924
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    Sled, I thought I wanted one of these for all the reasons you discribe. But when I held one in my hand I was concerned that I would have difficulty operating the hammer repetedly. You obviously are not having any difficulty maybe I had the wrong impression.

    #41928
    Whirlibird
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    You operate the hammer and trigger with your off hand for the best effect.

    Used to have a Freedom Arms boot gun (3″ barrel) and have worked on a couple.

    These guns really make me appreciate the Beretta .32 Tomcat.

    #41929
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    Are the Beretta .32 Tomcat still for sale new? My sister has one and I think they are made well.

    #41930
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    There is a Beretta Bobcat 21 which is an .22 LR
    How good are they?

    #41931
    Whirlibird
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    Actually a pretty good little gun.
    A friend has been trying to wear one out for a dozen years now. (Model 21)

    The Tomcat is still out there, with an improved thumb safety and sights.
    One of the few mouse guns I can actually shoot.

    #41932
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    Those semiauto pocket guns like that are pretty nice, but they are almost 2x bigger and only have about 2/3 the energy/velocity of the .22 mag. Not nearly the power although the bullet is heavier in the bigger calibers. One of those hydrostatic shock versus penetration of bullet debates. Many companies such as Barnes are now recommending smaller weight bullets for magnums and using hydrostatic shock to to the main catalyst for damage.

    If you are after a pocket gun, many German WWII era models are running around at a very cheap price. Ran across one for $100 at a pawn shot in .25 acp the other day. They are all about the same size as an LCP.

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    #41933
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    After Whirly’s post I was curious about the ballistics of each caliber and how they stacked up against each other. I found this thread on another site that includes comments comparing the two mentioned guns.

    http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=190

    #41934
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    After Whirly’s post I was curious about the ballistics of each caliber and how they stacked up against each other. I found this thread on another site that includes comments comparing the two mentioned guns.

    http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=190

    No offense, but 2 things:
    1) That site is a horrible resource. It’s like quoting anything that Massad Ayoob says or advocates – pure opinion baseless in fact. I used to be on that site thinking that it was a great reference. They completely ignore industry research and go off of bigger is better theory for every debate. Facts have no meaning or place on that site.
    2) The thread you referenced is from 2002. Ammo manufacturers have done a lot of research and found out many things in the last 13 years. One thing they have realized that that there are big differences between wound channel and hydrostatic shock damage. Many ammo companies are now recommending smaller weight bullets at higher velocities with bullets designed to transfer their energy quicker so as to maximize that hydrostatic shock. Like I mentioned, companies such as Barnes more often than not will recommend lighter weight bullets at close range for exactly that reason. Also, there is a big difference between LEO, tactical, and true self defense mindsets. I am coming at this from a true self defense mindset which is: The best firearm that will be carried at ALL times that has the best concealment with the most damage possible……

    It really doesn’t matter what you carry as long as you carry something. I was originally wondering if there was any love at all for these “Noisy Cricket” pistols. Personally, I love the cartridge and may or may not (disclaimer) know people that may or may not (another one) taken MANY deer (or not deer) with the .22 mag over the years. It is truly a devastating round and bloodshots a HUGE channel in any deer (or not deer) that I may or may not have seen shot with one.

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    #41956
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    After Whirly’s post I was curious about the ballistics of each caliber and how they stacked up against each other. I found this thread on another site that includes comments comparing the two mentioned guns.

    http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=190

    Oh. Here are 2 sites that just have the data:
    http://www.ballistics101.com/
    http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/products.aspx

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    #41957
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    Sled, I don’t dispute any of your comments, however I do believe gathering as many opinions and information as possible on any subject is helpful. In this thread are comments about the ease and speed of follow up shots which was my concern about that style of gun. Some people on the thread share my view that you may have difficulty getting more than one shot off with the revolver, conversly with a semi auto repeating shots are not so problematic. In terms of the ballistics I don’t have a issue with the ballistics of 22mag. I’m of the opinion that the gun could be a single shot if the first shot is not incapacitating. Personally I wouldn’t carry a full size single action revolver for the same reason. Like I originally said, I don’t think I have the ability to use the gun effectively.

    #41963
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    Sled, I don’t dispute any of your comments, however I do believe gathering as many opinions and information as possible on any subject is helpful. In this thread are comments about the ease and speed of follow up shots which was my concern about that style of gun. Some people on the thread share my view that you may have difficulty getting more than one shot off with the revolver, conversly with a semi auto repeating shots are not so problematic. In terms of the ballistics I don’t have a issue with the ballistics of 22mag. I’m of the opinion that the gun could be a single shot if the first shot is not incapacitating. Personally I wouldn’t carry a full size single action revolver for the same reason. Like I originally said, I don’t think I have the ability to use the gun effectively.

    Sorry if I came off a bit testy…… The discounting of something because it is a bit different REALLY gets me going. I guess it is one of the many things that gets me annoyed.

    I use the NAA as my 100% carry pistol and then have an M&P Shield that I carry about 75% of the time WITH the NAA. Sometimes I swap out the M&P for my 1911 that I just stick in my belt (about 25% of the time). The whole “it isn’t as good as ________” just annoys me when “_______” is a based on a completely different set of needs. It would be like saying that Ford was the best truck out there when we were originally discussing mountain bikes. At least that is how my bizarrely wired brain sees it.

    Again, sorry for being confrontational or abrupt. I just really don’t know of any other firearm out there that is comparable in function than the NAA due to size:firepower ratio except a derringer. At least with the NAA I have 5 shots…..

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    #41967
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    No problemo, I’m easy. Anyway I need things that are easy to use with simple
    controls, like a brick.

    #41969
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    No problemo, I’m easy. Anyway I need things that are easy to use with simple
    controls, like a brick.

    But those are only single shot!

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    #41978
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    My rebuttal is; only if you go for a long range target. Otherwise they’re good for as many hits as you have cardiovascular stamina.

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