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  • #3712
    Malgus
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    Interesting workup on the effectiveness of various bullet types, including mil-surp ammo.

    Choose wisely.

    http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #3835
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    sootsme
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    Also, consider that there are carbines, usually lever action, available in several popular pistol calibers, which can reduce the number of different rounds you need to stock. It is pretty much true that a carbine will “wake up” your pistol ammo, yielding increased range and accuracy compared to the same round used in a handgun.

    #3862
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    soot,

    That is true, that the longer barrel of a carbine will yield increased velocity/range/performance from pistol ammo. I suppose the reason I posted the link was because even though the military is limited to what the Geneva Convention says it can use, civilians are not limited by such things. Which means that, even though your particular rifle was designed to use FMJ ball ammo, you don’t HAVE to use it. You can invest in more effective ballistic tip ammo, or hollowpoints, or partition bullets, or monolithic solids, or armor piercing, etc, etc.. just as you can tailor the weapon to the mission, you can tailor the ammo as well.

    Example: I have a designated precision rifle. I hand-tailor the most accurate ammo I can build for it. However, the most accurate bullet (either Barnes or Sierra HPBT Matchking) might not perform the way I want it to in a different situation. If I want maximum expansion on a soft target, I have ballistic tips and partitions. If I want maximum penetration on a medium hard target, I have AP ammo. Now, those might not be the most accurate rounds in the world, so I have to take that into account…

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

    #3968
    bushrat
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    Malgus stated,

    I suppose the reason I posted the link was because even though the military is limited to what the Geneva Convention says it can use, civilians are not limited by such things.

    Actually it was the 1899 Hague Declaration concerning Expanding Bullets that limited the military to using non-expanding bullets.

    !899 Hague Declaration

    That’s the wonderful thing in the development of bullets and powders today, the variety is incredible. You can tailor an accurate load and bullet to any target, whether game or human. That’s why I love reloading.

    #4396
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    Here in my country the police use 9mm FMJ ammo with great effect. And since the criminals steal the police guns and ammo the also use FMJ ammo to deadly effect again.

    #4998
    Whirlibird
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    Carbine accuracy is not always an improvement over handgun accuracy.

    Some handgun ammunition is going to be a 8″ grouper at 100y regardless of what it’s being
    fired out of. I’ve had opportunity to shoot a decent number of rounds out of bench guns testing ammo
    at extended ranges and many pistol loads are not up to the accuracy requirements some of us need.

    Increased velocity generally, but not always, again it depends on the load and pressures involved.
    Range is generally increased more by the increased sight radius or optics than by barrel length.
    Effectiveness? Again, this can vary. Bullets, especially expanding bullets are built to function within a particular parameter, too little velocity means little or no expansion, too much velocity means too much expansion with reduced penetration and possible bullet blowup.

    FYI:

    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/calibers.html

    Carbines are easier to make hits with beyond normal ranges, and are certainly easier to arm less trained persons with, but you are still stuck with the limitations of the gun and ammunition, just recognize the strengths as well as weaknesses of the gun/cartridge.

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