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  • #4660
    Tolik
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    After looking around unsuccessfully for a non AR 308 , I decided to pick up an AK-47 , mine is a Yugoslavian version . It look and feels well made , and after getting used to the Kalashnikov design , I love it . What pushed me into the AK , was the fact that it is not picky about the quality of ammunition it is fed , and it can take a great amount of neglect in appalling conditions , and still keep shooting , that for me is what I want if I ever had to choose just one weapon for a societal breakdown . The 7.62×39 is a good round , the 308 that I was originally looking for will shoot farther away ……………..but in my point of view , if something is that far away , the confrontation can and should be avoided . Below is a link on what tipped me in the direction of the AK .

    #4705
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    I have been back and forth on the distance issue, but what if someone starts sniping at you from 3 or 4 hundred yards away?

    #4707
    Malgus
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    Tolik,

    Even though I do not own an AK, I agree with you. The AK is probably one of the most reliable (if not THE most reliable) rifle of military usefulness currently available – though in fairness, I have not seen anyone do destruction testing on all modern rifles and then compare the results. That kind of thing gets expensive.

    However, a question- given that the 7.62×39 is a basically a ballistic match for the American .30-30, why didn’t you obtain an AK platform rifle, but chambered in an American caliber? That way, you’d have the reliability you want, plus the advantage of a common caliber…

    A Saiga in .308… I think you can retrofit this with regular AK furniture..

    The wicked flee when none pursueth..." - Proverbs 28:1

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    #4811
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    Tolik,
    I have no doubt you will be fine with 7.62 x 39. I can find to buy more 7.62 then I can 5.56 x45 (.223) and cheaper too. 308 Is more expensive then either of those. Plus if you have to run carrying 1000 rds of 308 versus the 762 will be a little easier, not much though. I like 5.56 for that very reason. I can carry about 300 rds loaded in mags plus a pack and still move. One 308 = three 5.56 in weight.

    Buy your ammo with 123 gr. bullets or lighter if you find them. If you reload you have a better bullet selection to pick from.

    #4994
    Tolik
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    No matter what , they have the advantage , they see you long before you even know they are around , then there is locating the shooter . what if you have the greatest long distance rifle in the world ….but they get off the first shot … and dont miss ? Its all situational , but most combat happens at less than 150 yards , well within the AK’s design , but snipers suck , most of the time , they get off the first shot , and you only know one is around , because somebody drops dead . Lets hope it isnt us . I was thinking on a day to day basis , ease of maintenance , etc , something the AK was also designed for .

    #4996
    Tolik
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    Thank you , I do buy in bulk , I have both the inexpensive Russian ammo , and then the better American made stuff , I originally saved the better stuff for my Mini 30 , but after reading some forums about the rifle , it was suggested by a reader to swap out the factory spring with a stronger aftermarket spring . That solved the problem with it not liking some of the cheaper ammo , now I can use anything in both rifles .

    #4999
    Tolik
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    Good reply , I in all honesty , didnt think about that . The 7.62×39 is easy enough to get here . A lot of it around right now , both with the bulk Russian imports and most American manufacturers now make their own 7.62×39 , but the price is greatly higher . Oddly enough , sometimes the 30-30 is hard to get , depending on what part of the country your in . I live in the Southwest and 30-30 is not a very popular rifle cal . , but AR’s and AK’s are very popular , So stores dont carry much 30-30 , if at all . Midwest is a different story .

    #5008
    Mr. Red
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    Ah yes, the old prohibited AK rifle. We can’t legally own them up here in Canada, but they are here. There last year a house was shot up in St. John’s, just down the street from my Aunts, with an AK47 (and, to continue that story, the dumb **** who did it shot the wrong house. Luckily no one was hurt).

    But, with that in mind, should we find ourselves in a grid down world, I now know for a fact that criminal entities have, and have used, that platform. Who’s to say ol Mr. Red wont find one of em out in the space lol.

    But I have to agree with this thread. From everything that I’ve read (not having hands on with the platform, stupid backward canadian laws), if the AK was to be legalized for us law abiding citizens, I’d be first in line to get one. It’d be the king here in Newfoundland. Rough gun for a rough land.

    Canadian Patriot. Becoming self-sufficient.

    #5013
    Tolik
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    Like you said , where there is a will , there is a way ….I always had the attitude that , if the government does not want you to have it …then its something you should make every effort to find lol . You sound like a free thinking man , I like that . Here in the US , we were fed all sorts of propaganda about the Russians , and Russian people , most of it a bold faced lie , but it fit the agenda , the truth being that BOTH the Soviet and US governments were rotten to the core and untrustworthy . I am dating a Russian woman , and both she and her family have confirmed that 3/4 of the cold war crap we were fed was a total lie . Remember people , if an elected official’s mouth is moving , you are being lied to .

    #5018
    Mr. Red
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    That’s usually how it goes Tolik. The people playing chess don’t like each other, but they’ll use us, the pawns, against the others who have no problem with the other pawns, just that we’re told to go and fight them because they’re “the bad guys”.

    Granted, there are a few cases in which it’s different, but generally, and at least now in our time, that’s how it goes.

    And if it really came down to it, I’m pretty sure I could find a way to MAKE an AK lol They haven’t prohibited ideas or knowledge….yet.

    Canadian Patriot. Becoming self-sufficient.

    #5023
    Tolik
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    I wonder if there is a loop hole , that you couldnt order it , component by component , each separately is not a weapon , until you assemble it , also , if you know somebody across the ” line ” in Maine , you could perhaps have one sitting there waiting for you . I used to live in Maine , not much there , but basically honest people ( compared to other parts of the country )

    #5025
    Mr. Red
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    No loophole sadly. And I live in Newfoundland, so I’m not connected to the rest of North America by land. If I wanted to get to Maine, I’d need a boat lol.

    Canadian Patriot. Becoming self-sufficient.

    #5031
    Tolik
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    Thats ok , that whole coast has hundreds of tiny uninhabited islands ……….I would play pirate and bury some treasure ;) Being on an island may be a blessing in disguise , at least it would be harder for the mainland Trogs to get there vs. being at ground zero .

    #5046
    Selco
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    I can t go into the technical details and differences between rifles too much, I am not expert.
    But I can talk from the point of the AK user, very active user for quite time, in real conditions :) and it is not like you own something that is not possible to destroy, or something that make you superman, but few things:
    It has been thrown away, used as a bat (to hit someone) it had not been cleaned for prolonged time, even when it was clean it was not properly…
    Ammo had been used in it that look like s..t, and it worked perfectly.

    Yea, guys from several hundreds meters could easy killed me with other type of weapon, but in 95 % of situation trouble was happening in 50 or 100 meters distance ,and AK was very good for that.
    Is there better quality rifles there? Better performances in some parts? Yea, sure.
    But simply this rifle make sense for all mine SHTF circumstances. For me it is perfect for SHTF world.
    For someone else setup maybe it does not have sense to have it.

    Here in the US , we were fed all sorts of propaganda about the Russians , and Russian people , most of it a bold faced lie , but it fit the agenda , the truth being that BOTH the Soviet and US governments were rotten to the core and untrustworthy . I am dating a Russian woman , and both she and her family have confirmed that 3/4 of the cold war crap we were fed was a total lie . Remember people , if an elected official’s mouth is moving , you are being lied to .

    It is propaganda, it is gonna be alive as long as there is a government.
    When I was kid, I was told (by the system) that “western world democracy” is simply wrong, and that socialism will prevail all around the world just because it is natural etc.
    There is always gonna be propaganda, and people who gonna believe in that, just like there s always gonna be people who think with their own head.

    #5109
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    With the recent dust up between Obama and Putin I understand that they are going to stop importation of Russian ammo. Are you concerned about supply drying up. I understand there is US manufactured ammo, just curious about supply in SHTF scenario.

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