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    Robin
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    Somalia started it’s slide into hell in the late 1980’s. Then as it is now the Clans are running the country.
    Iraq is headed down the same road. Difference is in Iraq the fighting is between religions. At the rate the county is sliding into hell I give it about a year and then it will be SHTF.
    Robin

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-iraq-militias-take-a-lead-in-tikrit-fight-1427936422

    #39676
    Whirlibird
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    Somalia has basically always been a pit.
    One step out of the stone age while under european rule, they have steadily moved backwards from those days.

    Iraq doesn’t even have the strategic location Somalia does if one factors out the oil.
    The problem with iraq is that whatever happens there won’t stay there, it will expand and encompass much of the region, it always has.
    And much of that is because of that religious system of governance which transcends borders in much of the region.
    So not only do they hate each other ethnically but because they worship differently.
    Sometimes just because its Tuesday it seems.
    But for the oil, the entire region is worthless essentially.

    #39680
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    Iran would like to reconstitute Iraq into Persia. Whatever happens in Iraq from now on, Iran & Turkey will have their hands on the tiller.Seems to me Turkey & Iran are both trying to establish the next caliphate.

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    No matter what direction this goes, it won’t end well. The drawing of national boundaries by colonial powers caused some of the problem by not taking into account the tribal/religious nature of local populations. Their internal conflicts may not make sense to us but it runs very deep for them. Removing the former secular dictators, brutal as they may have been, has allowed for an even worse situation to unfold.

    #39738
    Tolik
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    In both cases ( Somalia and Iraq )……….sell both sides weapons , make a profit , and let them off each other more efficiently , let both expendables have at it . When they are ready to join the human race after its over , we can help them rebuild .

    #39739
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    Brulen
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    The doctrine of colonialism states quite clearly if you occupy a place for some reason and the natives get in your way kill them. But you don’t kill so many that a market can’t be established for your goods.

    So Tolik if you let them kill each other they develop resistence and want their own government. That theory worked in the past but now with new technology like Swiss bank accounts they just take the money and run.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    #39744
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    Personally I struggle to understand what it is they perpetually fight each other over. Granted I don’t grasp the difference between Sunni and Shia, but the divisions go further than that. Maybe in in the end it is just the same lust for power and wealth that has driven wars throughout history. That ISIS on the surface is driven by religious goals doesn’t mean that in the end a few at the top won’t seek their reward in Swiss bank accounts and earthly pleasures behind the scenes.

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